That car costs vastly more and frankly if you don't care about EV vs ICE, just buy the BMW M3. It'll keep on pulling vs a Model 3 which some of you seem to want at higher speeds, like it's not even close.
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
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Someone showed one go well under 3.0 0-60 mph without subtracting rollout and 10.9 for the 1/4 mile 100% stock the other day. I can't post the image of it but I watched the run myself and it appeared to be legit. Magazines list similar times for it too.
BMW reports 0-60 mph without subtracting rollout and in some cases that is a 0-100 KPH(62 mph) time instead a true 0-60 mph. Those cars are WAY quicker than advertised even completely stock unlike a Tesla Performance vehicle.
That's not true, BMW and the German's often under claim their figures. The car can do 3.1 seconds without any trouble on regular roads and that's without rollout.
Obviously not close to a Plaid in straight line but as a Model 3 kind of sized car the BMW M3 as a good fast ICE is kind of the benchmark without going to silly money.
Jeremy3292
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There are many, many ways to affect 0-60 times. Tires, weight, rims, launch control, boost, subtract rollout, etc. Apples to apples is a very hard comparison outside of putting them side by side on a drag strip.
I think it is very hard to say that a 2.9 M3 Ludicrous can’t beat an M3 Comp xDrive. Will it? Maybe so. But we won’t know until 2 people put them next to each other on a strip
Jeremy3292
Active Member
It does cost a lot more, but it is common to cross shop an M3 with a Model 3 Performance. As for the 0-60, BMW's official specs are notoriously conservative and the 3.4 is without rollout subtracted, so it's very, very close to last year's Model 3 Performance. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 2.8 with rollout. In the 1/4 mile Car and Driver got an 11.0 at 124MPH from the M3. Car and Driver shows 11.6 at 115MPH for the Model 3 Performance. Motor Trend shows 11.5 at 117MPH for the M3P. C&D shows 3.1 for 0-60 and MT shows 3.0 for 0-60 for the M3P, both with rollout.
BMW M3 Competition xDrive Delivers Supercar Performance
Outrageous. Ballistic. Quick. BMW's all-wheel-drive M3 Competition lives in another world.
www.caranddriver.com
One Year With a Tesla Model 3 Performance: An Owner's Perspective
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Dual-Motor Performance at a discount. Here's what happened in the one year I've owned it.
At this point, the 2.9 is a rumor, and we have no idea if it's supposed to be with or without rollout. If it's real and without rollout, then 2.6 to 2.7 with rollout would be expected.
Jeremy3292
Active Member
“With rollout subtracted and with launch control engaged and the boost holding above 15.0 psi”It does cost a lot more, but it is common to cross shop an M3 with a Model 3 Performance. As for the 0-60, BMW's official specs are notoriously conservative and the 3.4 is without rollout subtracted, so it's very, very close to last year's Model 3 Performance. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 2.8 with rollout. In the 1/4 mile Car and Driver got an 11.0 at 124MPH from the M3. Car and Driver shows 11.6 at 115MPH for the Model 3 Performance. Motor Trend shows 11.5 at 117MPH for the M3P. C&D shows 3.1 for 0-60 and MT shows 3.0 for 0-60 for the M3P, both with rollout.
BMW M3 Competition xDrive Delivers Supercar Performance
Outrageous. Ballistic. Quick. BMW's all-wheel-drive M3 Competition lives in another world.One Year With a Tesla Model 3 Performance: An Owner's Perspective
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Dual-Motor Performance at a discount. Here's what happened in the one year I've owned it.www.motortrend.com
How is that any better than a *projected* 2.9 M3 Ludicrous?
Knightshade
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Ok, but the BMW is literally double the price of what the with-tax-credit price on the P was at the end of its run.
I don't really consider "slower in listed spec maybe a tenth quicker to 60 if you squint for 2x the price" to really be "competition"
I think the decision tree for this is pretty simple:It does cost a lot more, but it is common to cross shop an M3 with a Model 3 Performance. As for the 0-60, BMW's official specs are notoriously conservative and the 3.4 is without rollout subtracted, so it's very, very close to last year's Model 3 Performance. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 2.8 with rollout. In the 1/4 mile Car and Driver got an 11.0 at 124MPH from the M3. Car and Driver shows 11.6 at 115MPH for the Model 3 Performance. Motor Trend shows 11.5 at 117MPH for the M3P. C&D shows 3.1 for 0-60 and MT shows 3.0 for 0-60 for the M3P, both with rollout.
BMW M3 Competition xDrive Delivers Supercar Performance
Outrageous. Ballistic. Quick. BMW's all-wheel-drive M3 Competition lives in another world.One Year With a Tesla Model 3 Performance: An Owner's Perspective
I bought a Tesla Model 3 Dual-Motor Performance at a discount. Here's what happened in the one year I've owned it.
- Want an EV, get the Tesla
- Want an ICE, get the BMW
- Want the cheapest, get the Tesla
- Want the best, don't care about the powertrain or the cost, get the BMW
More a German test but 100 - 200kph the Model 3 Performance takes 10.1 seconds, the BMW takes 7.7 seconds. It's not close at all.
Actually, I'm hoping that the Ludicrous, assuming that is what it is called, trashes the BMW and can knock off a 2.5 to 60, but I'd still be pretty happy with matching a perfectly launched M3 Comp in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. The effortless way in which Teslas launch is one of their biggest advantages over ICE engine vehicles. To get top times out of something like the M3 requires having everything set right and working right. One thing a little off can easily cost half a second or more. A Model 3 is far less finicky.
Want a vehicle that will require tens of thousands of dollars in repairs before hitting 150k miles, buy the BMW.
I'm also hoping that the new Model 3 will at least match the M3 Comp from 100 - 200KPH.
BMW, like Porsche, also famously underrates its cars. Car and driver gets 2.8 https://www.caranddriver.com/review...ition-xdrive-edition-50-jahre-by-the-numbers/
Model S LR can do 60-130 (which should be a little longer than a 100-200 kph) in 7.7 as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the ludicrous ends up there. The front motor is a weakness, but sounds like the new rear motor could make up for that to a decent degree.
Jeremy3292
Active Member
I personally love BMWs, always have, but they are hella expensive to maintain and cost a lot to begin with also. That is why I love Tesla. Cost isn’t that bad, performance is high, maintenance is low.
If I were to get an ICE again it would probably just be a Lexus. They just don’t make any actually fast or cool cars though lol (maybe one).
My wife drives a Lexus GX and it just works. Buy one, drive it til 250-300k miles, get another one. Cant say the same for other luxury brands.
If I were to get an ICE again it would probably just be a Lexus. They just don’t make any actually fast or cool cars though lol (maybe one).
My wife drives a Lexus GX and it just works. Buy one, drive it til 250-300k miles, get another one. Cant say the same for other luxury brands.
We are talking new cars with warranties. Almost no one who buys new is going to drive the car for 150k, they'll have sold it long before and that'll be someone else's problem.
It's way off now so it'll have to hugely improve to keep up with an M3 100 - 200kph.
I typically buy new, and if I like the car, I'll keep it for a long time, 10+ years and over 150k miles has been the case with about half the cars I bought new.
My top end is plenty fine. I don’t really understand that. I guess above 90 yes but most aren’t doing that. The other stuff just not that impressive. New person yes. Existing owner not do much
