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Model S crash: Germany 9/28/16

Discussion in 'Model S' started by malcolm, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. malcolm

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    At what point does this stop being big news? When there are 1 million model 3s on the road, there's going to be several Tesla accidents a day.
     
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  3. Matias

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    I surely hope there won't be several accidents with AP a day...

    I don't think that accidents with AP will ever stop being a news.

    Tesla can't have it both ways; create huge hype with AP and then hope that media does not react when something goes wrong.
     
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  4. Matias

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    8.0 is not yet rolled out in Europe.
     
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  5. malcolm

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    Thanks for confirming that.
     
  6. Stoneymonster

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    Well, in not too long they won't be the only company with this feature being used regularly.
     
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    Electrek has more details:

    Tesla Model S crashes into a bus in Germany, Autopilot is being blamed again

     
  8. malcolm

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    Unclear how this ties in with other reports of the car "rear-ending" the bus.

    Also, difficult to hide a bus in a blind spot.

    I'd be interested to know the speeds of the two vehicles. We are talking Autobahn (assuming that's been reported correctly)
     
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    This really is getting old... Fast. What is the relevant nature of posting each and every accident that MAY have involved AP, specifically autosteer???

    Jeff
     
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    Sounds like pilot (regular, not auto) error.
     
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    This is actually the scenario where AP is most vulnerable - the ultrasound sensors for blind spot detection are clearly suboptimal. I watch (just for curiosity) if they detect an object when I pass trucks - missing detection is common. I never trust AP for making the decision it is safe to switch lanes. This is a known weakness of the system. Tesla will need to implement different sensors in AP 2.0.
     
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    Easy fix. Call it ACP (Automatic Co-Pilot).

    Just kidding.
     
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    Even when AP 2.0 comes out (and I obtain it somehow) I'm still checking my mirror/looking over my shoulder when changing lanes.
     
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    Of course. But I can see how this could have happened.
     
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    I am guessing because it's new technology and it's exciting. Plus Tesla claims AP is much safer that regular manual driving so news outlets are drawn to the stories when AP was engaged during an accident.

    I think they are useful here because we are fans, so any Tesla related news is relevant. Also, I think we learn something with each incident once Tesla releases the logs saying what happened. (Except the Texas crash - we never learned the logs in that case)
     
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    Driver wasn't using AP at time of the crash.
     
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    Update to Electrek article to include statement from Tesla:
     
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    The updates in that article suggest that there's not much clarity yet on exactly what happened, or even whether it was the Tesla or the bus that were changing lanes. Hard to even venture an educated guess with so many variables.

    There is this from Tesla in the article (emphasis mine):
     
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    Another update to that Electrek article:
     
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    So sounds like the bus changed lanes into him and not the other way around. Nothing to see here.
     
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