Looks great! And I'm not just saying that because it's very similar to the one in my garage right now. 
Congratulations and enjoy the ride. Welcome to the future.
Congratulations and enjoy the ride. Welcome to the future.
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We picked up our Model X 60d about 2 weeks ago. I'm so excited about the car, I was going to write a post on here of the first reviews but your post really summed up what we're feeling. Our other cars are a Honda Accord and a Toyota Camry, so moving from those was seriously like driving a spaceship. Even with a 60d, the acceleration is amazing and our toddler loves it. Same minor issues you've quoted, I'll have them checked out but the car is so amazing I could care less. Ghosting doesn't bother me at all. We took our first trip last week and supercharging was great. Aside from the fact with 2 kids we have to stop anyways, the supercharging stations we went to were at great locations where we could get coffee, shop, do something even if just 20-30 minutes that made us think about something else so the trip seemed to go way faster... stopping at a rest stop or to get gas just isn't the same since your mind is still thinking "we're on a road trip". Our journey to the model X started with the 70d with coil and to fit what we were willing to spend, changed to a 60d to get more features and SAS, which got accidentally cancelled by Tesla, which then was a blessing because that delay got me AP2 -- no complaints here after that! Like you said, blessed is the exact word to sum it up. I like driving it so much I wonder if I should have even paid for EAP. However, we are happy to support Elon and Tesla in their mission for a sustainable future and am looking forward to the Model 3!
DiamondHands
Member
Happy new year to you and yours and congrats on the new spaceride! May you use in the best of health
smocfi
Member
Absence does make the heart grow fonder. Ten months after delivery of my Model X it is back in the shop for a simple alignment and a few minor things (and maybe one big thing in the front suspension). They set me up with a P85+ on winter tires for the 4+ hour drive back home. The S is a fine car in its own right, heavy, powerful, beautiful, and surprisingly good in the slush for a car with so much torque in the rear wheels. It's for sale as a CPO so if you're looking for a sweet sedan this would serve. But I miss my X with the even more sure footedness of the all-wheel-drive, auto-closing door, higher ride position in traffic, openness of the cockpit, and little things like the position of the cruise control stalk and door pockets. The S has better windshield wiper function, better mileage, only the barest hint of ghosting, and none of that fancy auto pilot stuff. If the weather is nice, I'll take some back roads and enjoy the trip back in the S to get my car but I'll be happy to have my X home again.
Those people are indisputably wrong. Only one makes any logical sense.
I love my wife. I can care less about her. Thankfully, I don't. See how that works? That phrase covers my entire spectrum of caring, except for the least amount. It's entirely ambiguous.
Or, try substituting the word more in place of less. I can't care more - that means I care as much as possible. I can care more - clearly I don't care as much as possible.
The only reason the alternative sounds slightly more acceptable is because people have heard it before and haven't thought about it.
polymathic
Member
@ohmman is most certainly correct, but the real issue here is that some peep's only post is a petty usage correction. Funny how one can be right only to look wrong.
smocfi
Member
Ha. What's a peep?
bsf, I've tried to post here with some pretty serious reviews of the Model X, but somehow the "anti-elon" software detects something bad, and blocks the post. Whatever, I don't care, there are so many issues with the MX it's hard to keep track. Quite remarkable.
Today I was driving from Santa Fe to Gallup, blowing snow, below freezing, and the tire pressure warning comes on. Says the pressure is low, warning, danger etc. Tire pressures are 37 all around. Is that low? Sticker on the door well says 36 cold tire pressure. I call Tesla support, they say Really? never heard that one before. My wife says, don't they always say that? Well, yes, can't admit to problems, I understand that. Yes it was cold, 27 F. Yes, I know they build them in sunny CA.
Another humorous item from today (hey, I've got a million of 'em, folks). Temp 30 F, blowing snow, lowered driver's side window for a moment at freeway speed. The window seal was apparently so cold that when I raised the window, the seal wouldn't reseat, and a very loud howling-whistling noise ensued. Very fun, had to stop and massage the rubber to get it to seal.
Cold wx problems, not good.
Here are some "first impressions" of a Model X from a Model S owner who got one as a loaner while his car is in for routine annual service. Rather than start a separate thread, I thought I would post here.
I got this Model X P90D as a loaner from the Dedham, MA service center. Notably, it is a Signature Model S according to the main screen. It has a 6 seat configuration. It has a California MFR plate, but has a Mass. inspection sticker. So my (wild?) guess is that it may have been a customer car and was either returned for some reason, or traded in, etc. It has roughly 12,000 miles on it.
I had never driven a Model X before I got this loaner today.
I have had the car for about 8 hours, and drove it roughly 80 miles in that time, on a mix of local roads and on Interstate highways. Because of traffic, I never had the opportunity to "launch" it, but it certainly felt responsive and powerful.
At first, I was a bit intimidated by the size of it. The Model S is a large car, but the X is larger yet and gives the impression of even greater size because of the greater height. But it only took a few minutes of driving to become acclimated and comfortable with maneuvering the car.
I like the fact that the driver sits higher in the X. It gave me a good seating position and a good view, especially with the larger side windows and the huge windshield. Sometimes in my Model S I feel as if the A pillars and the outside rear view mirrors block so much of the view that I run the risk of missing the sight of cars or pedestrians.
Although outward visibility is generally very good, the view directly to the rear is terrible. The rearview mirror is smaller than in the Model S, and the rear window seems to be more heavily tinted, so I could barely see anything out that window. Wearing sunglasses probably aggravated the dimness, but I wear them all the time in my S with no issues. The rear camera is very good, of course, and the outside rearview mirrors are adequate, so in fact i had no problem with rearward visibility. But if the camera lens were obscured by dirt, rain, or snow, the rear window might be more of a problem for seeing directly behind the car. (And I agree that the Model S is not great in this regard, either.)
The audio screen indicated it has Dolby sound, so I assume it has the Ultra High Fidelity Audio option. It definitively sounds better than my Model S (which has the standard audio), particularly in the bass range.
The driver's seat position was good, but the seat cushion was not as good as I expected. Seating is highly personal, though, and I tend to be "fussy" about seats. So readers may not want to place too much stock in my comment. In any case, it was not clear to me that the seat comfort was superior to my standard equipment Model S seat.
The cars seems a bit noisier than my Model S. The seemed to have a bit more "boominess" to it and suffered from wind noise at highway speeds. This might reflect the fact that it is likely an early production unit.
The ride seemed a bit busy and was not as smooth as I had imagined. It has the air suspension (standard?) and 20 inch wheels. I had expected, perhaps unreasonably, that it would be a better ride than my Model S with coil suspension.
One positive note about the rear seats. I had to bring my 99 year-old mother to an appointment. She has limited mobility (uses a walker, etc.) and has trouble getting into and out of any car, including my Model S. (She is barely 5 feet tall.) She seems to have particular trouble getting out of the S because it is so low, and because of the wide frame that separates the seat from the outside of the car. On the other hand I was worried that she would not be able to climb up into the Model X, which sits higher off the ground. So I set the Model X suspension to the Low position (it would not go into the Very Low position, not sure why). It looked to me as if she would have less trouble with the rear seats than with the front, so I had her sit in the back. (The higher bolsters on the front seats might have been an obstacle, but the rear seats are fairly flat.) As it happens, she was able to climb in and out of the Model X fairly easily. The rear seat seemed a tad closer to the outside of the car than the front seat, and also closer than in my Model S. I did not measure this, so it may be a small difference or a false impression. The FWD was obviously out of her way, and I could easily reach in to help her as needed. So that worked out pretty well.
But all of the above is minor, really. The one thing that I found to be truly objectionable was the large windshield. As attractive and impressive as it is, I found myself wishing the car had the optional sunshade for the upper portion. Today is a sunny winter day, so the sun was visible through the windshield for a good portion of the several hours I was in the car. Although I was wearing Polarized sunglasses, as I almost always do when driving, my eyes were quite irritated by the time I got home from a 2-hour drive. The visors are of essentially no benefit because they are so small -- they can only block the sun when it is in a narrow portion of the sky. The visors were also difficult to position to block sun through the driver's side window -- they are simply not large enough and can't be positioned very flexibly. (And yes, I did figure out how to open and unfold the visor extension.) So I loved the sense of openness, but I am not sure I could live with that huge glass area without more tinting or a sun shade.
One other thing, for whatever it is worth. I showed the car to my son, who has a Honda van for his family (wife, 2 kids, big dog). Although he liked the headroom and was impressed with the folding doors and motorized seats, he felt the seats in his Honda mini-van do a better job of meeting the need than the Model X seats. In particular, he can more easily fold and unfold his seats when he needs a different configuration, such as for hauling "stuff." I know this has been debated endlessly in other threads, but mention it here because of my son's observation. (It is also possible I did not show off the Model X seats to best advantage, because I have not yet mastered the rear seat controls.)
So, I did enjoy having the chance to try the Model X, and it is impressive in many ways. Some things are advantageous over my Model S, and some are not. For the moment, I think I am content with my S and won't rush out to order an X!
I got this Model X P90D as a loaner from the Dedham, MA service center. Notably, it is a Signature Model S according to the main screen. It has a 6 seat configuration. It has a California MFR plate, but has a Mass. inspection sticker. So my (wild?) guess is that it may have been a customer car and was either returned for some reason, or traded in, etc. It has roughly 12,000 miles on it.
I had never driven a Model X before I got this loaner today.
I have had the car for about 8 hours, and drove it roughly 80 miles in that time, on a mix of local roads and on Interstate highways. Because of traffic, I never had the opportunity to "launch" it, but it certainly felt responsive and powerful.
At first, I was a bit intimidated by the size of it. The Model S is a large car, but the X is larger yet and gives the impression of even greater size because of the greater height. But it only took a few minutes of driving to become acclimated and comfortable with maneuvering the car.
I like the fact that the driver sits higher in the X. It gave me a good seating position and a good view, especially with the larger side windows and the huge windshield. Sometimes in my Model S I feel as if the A pillars and the outside rear view mirrors block so much of the view that I run the risk of missing the sight of cars or pedestrians.
Although outward visibility is generally very good, the view directly to the rear is terrible. The rearview mirror is smaller than in the Model S, and the rear window seems to be more heavily tinted, so I could barely see anything out that window. Wearing sunglasses probably aggravated the dimness, but I wear them all the time in my S with no issues. The rear camera is very good, of course, and the outside rearview mirrors are adequate, so in fact i had no problem with rearward visibility. But if the camera lens were obscured by dirt, rain, or snow, the rear window might be more of a problem for seeing directly behind the car. (And I agree that the Model S is not great in this regard, either.)
The audio screen indicated it has Dolby sound, so I assume it has the Ultra High Fidelity Audio option. It definitively sounds better than my Model S (which has the standard audio), particularly in the bass range.
The driver's seat position was good, but the seat cushion was not as good as I expected. Seating is highly personal, though, and I tend to be "fussy" about seats. So readers may not want to place too much stock in my comment. In any case, it was not clear to me that the seat comfort was superior to my standard equipment Model S seat.
The cars seems a bit noisier than my Model S. The seemed to have a bit more "boominess" to it and suffered from wind noise at highway speeds. This might reflect the fact that it is likely an early production unit.
The ride seemed a bit busy and was not as smooth as I had imagined. It has the air suspension (standard?) and 20 inch wheels. I had expected, perhaps unreasonably, that it would be a better ride than my Model S with coil suspension.
One positive note about the rear seats. I had to bring my 99 year-old mother to an appointment. She has limited mobility (uses a walker, etc.) and has trouble getting into and out of any car, including my Model S. (She is barely 5 feet tall.) She seems to have particular trouble getting out of the S because it is so low, and because of the wide frame that separates the seat from the outside of the car. On the other hand I was worried that she would not be able to climb up into the Model X, which sits higher off the ground. So I set the Model X suspension to the Low position (it would not go into the Very Low position, not sure why). It looked to me as if she would have less trouble with the rear seats than with the front, so I had her sit in the back. (The higher bolsters on the front seats might have been an obstacle, but the rear seats are fairly flat.) As it happens, she was able to climb in and out of the Model X fairly easily. The rear seat seemed a tad closer to the outside of the car than the front seat, and also closer than in my Model S. I did not measure this, so it may be a small difference or a false impression. The FWD was obviously out of her way, and I could easily reach in to help her as needed. So that worked out pretty well.
But all of the above is minor, really. The one thing that I found to be truly objectionable was the large windshield. As attractive and impressive as it is, I found myself wishing the car had the optional sunshade for the upper portion. Today is a sunny winter day, so the sun was visible through the windshield for a good portion of the several hours I was in the car. Although I was wearing Polarized sunglasses, as I almost always do when driving, my eyes were quite irritated by the time I got home from a 2-hour drive. The visors are of essentially no benefit because they are so small -- they can only block the sun when it is in a narrow portion of the sky. The visors were also difficult to position to block sun through the driver's side window -- they are simply not large enough and can't be positioned very flexibly. (And yes, I did figure out how to open and unfold the visor extension.) So I loved the sense of openness, but I am not sure I could live with that huge glass area without more tinting or a sun shade.
One other thing, for whatever it is worth. I showed the car to my son, who has a Honda van for his family (wife, 2 kids, big dog). Although he liked the headroom and was impressed with the folding doors and motorized seats, he felt the seats in his Honda mini-van do a better job of meeting the need than the Model X seats. In particular, he can more easily fold and unfold his seats when he needs a different configuration, such as for hauling "stuff." I know this has been debated endlessly in other threads, but mention it here because of my son's observation. (It is also possible I did not show off the Model X seats to best advantage, because I have not yet mastered the rear seat controls.)
So, I did enjoy having the chance to try the Model X, and it is impressive in many ways. Some things are advantageous over my Model S, and some are not. For the moment, I think I am content with my S and won't rush out to order an X!
This is interesting. Thanks David. I have rented a 90D and a 75D both with 20" wheels and I thought the ride was pretty good. our P90D with the 22" wheels is quite harsh at times and the tires are a bit noisy on the highway. I've experienced this with other performance oriented cars with low profile wheel/tires so I thought for sure that moving to 20" wheels would provide the same ride quality I had experienced.
From your observations, could it be that the suspension in the "P" versions are stiffer to provide better handling (via software?).
As a coda to my comments from yesterday, we ended up having the Model X for a second day, which provided the opportunity for another 2 hours or so in the vehicle, this time with my wife. We had a trip with a mix of freeway, divided highway, and local streets.
She agreed with my observations that the High Fidelity sound system in the X was much better than the standard system in my Model S, and that the Model X has a harsher ride (especially on local roads) and was noisier.
One other detail I noticed today that I had missed earlier is that the leather on the doors is much nicer than in my 2015 Model S. My car does have the upgraded interior, which I believe is supposed to have leather surfaces on the doors, but it seemed much thinner and less soft than the material in the X.
When we returned the Model X and picked up my Model S, our immediate reactions were that the car seemed low, and the headroom was restricted. The front edge of the roof and the edge of the sunroof seemed very close to my head! So the greater spaciousness of the X was notable. But we were also immediately glad for the smoother, quieter ride. But the sound system was less satisfying than I had previously felt it was. Plus, we missed those motorized doors! It was amazing how quickly we grew accustomed to the luxury of automatic power doors.
People we showed the Model X to were, of course, impressed with the Falcon Wing Doors and the moving seats, but no one rode in the car except my wife and me for long enough for substantive comments.
Very glad we had the opportunity for an extended “test drive” of the Model X.
Good question, but I am afraid I do not know about the suspension. I seem to recall other comments in other threads to the effect that the suspension is the same in all versions of the Model X, but I do not know.
One other comment is that whatever harshness we experienced could be partly due to the condition of this particular car. Perhaps the tires are worn) although at 12,000 miles they should be fine), or there is some other problem that could be addressed. As I mentioned, I have not driven any other Model X, so it may be that a new car and/or later version would be better.
polymathic
Member
Funny how everyone has different opinions on that... My MX has been in the body shop for a couple of weeks. I just had a MS P100D Ludicrous with the new glass roof for ten days, and needed more seating, so swapped that loaner for a MX P90D Ludicrous. My first thought on sitting back in the MX was how much I had missed the the huge windshield. It's so open and airy. And I live in sunny California. I also much prefer the general comfort, especially in the rear, of the MX. This said, the MS P100D Ludicrous was a blast to drive, too. I want both! ;-)
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
A pretty decent clip. But why didn’t they include one single full acceleration launch?
SmartElectric
Active Member
They were reviewing the 90D. Launching is less exciting than the performance model. Noticeably softer take off.
SwedishAdvocate
Active Member
It does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds. What other seven-seater SUV can pull that off?
SmartElectric
Active Member
3s-a-charm
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Coming from a P85D Model S to a 90D Model X - it's a big enough difference. While with the S I had the urge to launch anyone who would step in the car, with the Model X I never show people the acceleration (although it is more than sufficient for daily driving).
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