I had forgotten that I do precisely the same thing when riding. Though it's mostly with parked cars to see if someone is going to swing open their door in my path.
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I had forgotten that I do precisely the same thing when riding. Though it's mostly with parked cars to see if someone is going to swing open their door in my path.
Mayhemm
Model S P85+ "Lola"
If Tesla is confident NHTSA will rule in its favor, I can see them pre-wiring the initial run of X's for cameras. Then, when they get the final OK from NHTSA, including them in production from that point on and offer a simple retrofit for existing X's; a la the titanium shield.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
If the Model X has cameras instead of actual mirrors I guess I'll cancel my reservation. I find this such a scary (and unattractive) idea...
Why is is scary? The cameras can be so much better with no blind spots. They can also adjust for night viewing much better.
As for as unattractive, do you really find the mirrors sticking out on the side of cars as attractive? They almost alway ruin the lines IMHO.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
Scary? Malfunction. Glare. Lack of depth perception. I appreciate the backup camera for things really close but it gives me far less of a three dimensional perception of what's behind the car compared to my mirrors.
And looks? The little stubs sticking out at the doors are hideous.
And looks? The little stubs sticking out at the doors are hideous.
Nubo
Test Mule
Sorry to hear that.
On the other hand; we'll be one slot closer :wink:. J.K. Hopefully they'd see fit to make it an option. Shouldn't be too difficult.
Seriously, just as with the rest of this car (that does not yet exist); one must go in with an open mind and then evaluate the final product. To my way of thinking, the cameras could be a great advance, but we'll just have to see.
I think you're actually on to something about the depth perception.
Lacking depth perception in the side view mirrors would not be good.
I dont mind cameras as such and I'm not afraid ox malfunction etc. But lack of depth perception hadn't co.e to mind earlier...
Zapped
Model S - PURE EV
Mirrors also provide uncompromised resolution as well as the ability to change your angle/field of view by simply moving your head slightly.
Raffy.Roma
Rome (Italy)
IMO you should first try the cameras in place of actual mirrors. Maybe that you will be more comfortable with the cameras? Then according to this article:
Tesla Motors leads campaign to replace sideview mirrors with cameras | Digital Trends
the NHTSA announced that rearview cameras would be mandatory on all new cars beginning in 2018.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'm a fan of the idea. Depends on execution, of course, but so far TM has put some pretty extensive thought into things. I don't think they'd put it on if it wasn't significantly better than a mirror. I can sympathize with the fear that they will fail, but so do mirrors! How many busted off side views have we all seen dangling? Better aerodynamics is the low-hanging fruit of improved efficiency.
bonnie
I play a nice person on twitter.
I want cameras. There are pros and cons, but (imo) the pro list wins. Safer. Better aerodynamics. And I suspect it will take me all of a nanosecond to adjust.
The problem, of course, will be my level of annoyance in my Roadster, NOT having cameras. I'll just have to drive faster than everyone else.
The problem, of course, will be my level of annoyance in my Roadster, NOT having cameras. I'll just have to drive faster than everyone else.
gjunky
Trifecta: Solar and both cars are EVs
I am for cameras as well. As mentioned, there are many possible benefits:
I am just worried that Tesla is doing this solely for the last item. There are still no reversing lines on the rear camera in the Model S. As far as I know, there is no video processing done of any kind. This would take away most of the benefits. I know we all think Tesla will come through and I hope they do, especially since they have some time until they get to mine :smile:
- Night Vision
- Reduced blinding effect of headlights
- Viewing angle including fewer blind spots
- No need to adjust them
- More/better options in placing the screens
- And of course drag
I am just worried that Tesla is doing this solely for the last item. There are still no reversing lines on the rear camera in the Model S. As far as I know, there is no video processing done of any kind. This would take away most of the benefits. I know we all think Tesla will come through and I hope they do, especially since they have some time until they get to mine :smile:
I'll just have to drive faster than everyone else.
You should do this regardless. I do. Works great.
Nubo
Test Mule
Stereoscopic Depth perception depends on binocular vision; the distance between your eyes gives different views. As you'd suspect, the effect diminishes with distance, as the angle formed between the eyes and the distant object approaches zero. Iirc, depth perception is good to about 2 arm lengths, and by about 20 feet is basically extinguished.
The field of view in a sideview mirror which is seem by by both eyes at the same time, is pretty small. And for practical purposes the objects of interest are generally beyond the distance at which stereoscopic depth perception is beneficial.
Tedkidd
Member
All kinds of cool options open up. For instance, imagine a 'line' drawn on the road indicating where the back of the car begins.
dirkhh
Middle-aged Member
<sarcasm>Yeah right, from the company that can't manage to get us guide lines in the backup camera of the Model S...</sarcasm>
Nubo
Test Mule
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