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Model Y vs Rivian R1S
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The Rivian SUV is supposed to be nearly identical in size on the exterior to a Ford Explorer from what I've read. I don't think the interior dimensions have been released, but the cargo space is probably larger because it appears to be boxier than the Explorer.
I love the technology of what Tesla is doing, but I love the format of the R1S. With all of the production issues Tesla went through, and the massive number of pre-orders that Rivian has, if I ordered now, I would not see one possibly until 2022. I just can't wait that long to go electric. Plus, I have a Tesla wall charger already. Going to have to actually install it at some point.
lowtek
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Prediction: Ford will buy Rivian before they deliver a single unit
I'm not saying EA + others are better than the Supercharger network today, but Rivian takes CCS like every other fast charging EV.
The EA stations support up to 350 kw, and if you look at Plugshare there are an enormous amount of CCS locations*. This will probably grow exponentially as VW, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, Rivian, Jaguar, Hyundai/Kia, Volvo/Polestar and others ramp up production over the coming months/years.
*In the US. Europe has even more networks.
Bridor
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The CCS charging network sucks rocks - I hated every moment of ownership of the Jaguar i-Pace - which is surprising due to how gorgeous the vehicle was. The Tesla Supercharger network is still unmatched. And I'm sorry, I hate the front of the Rivian - please change those awful lights.
Brent
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Uncle Paul
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Imagine that the aftermarket will produce a lift kit for the Y if owners want more off road capability
Even Jeep come standard with relatively low ride heights to optimize safe handling, ride comfort and fuel economy. Then various lift kits are optional to give additional off road capability.
Even Jeep come standard with relatively low ride heights to optimize safe handling, ride comfort and fuel economy. Then various lift kits are optional to give additional off road capability.
iamnid
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I hate to be a naysayer but it seems like the Rivian is vaporware at this point. I doubt we will see it for at least a year, if ever.
powertoold
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There hasn't been any Rivian sightings in the wild. All the YouTube videos of Rivian cars are in controlled or promotional environments. How are they going into production without testing in the wild?
I don't believe the production deliveries are supposed to start until Q4. Lots of time to upgrade a factory and pump out some vehicles. Look what Elon did in 1 year! Mud puddle to cars in a little more than that amount of time, and Rivian has an existing factory that they have been upgrading for some time.
Ok, I doubt that they will have any production volume in that time either. But it would be nice to see another startup make it to the point of being purchased by Ford.
Ok, I doubt that they will have any production volume in that time either. But it would be nice to see another startup make it to the point of being purchased by Ford.
powertoold
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Totally different situation and environment and company experience.
This is Rivian's first vehicle, you'd think they'd be doing extensive testing in the wild before building the machine that builds the machine. You only start building out the production line once you've put pencils down on the design and testing.
powertoold
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I don't think they'll fail. I just don't think they'll achieve mass production of either R1S or R1T (1000/week).
Amazon doesn't have car mfging experience, and Ford has their own challenges to overcome. It's not like Ford can just sink resources into keeping Rivian afloat.
Also, based on what I've seen of the R1T, it's got too many bells and whistles that can fail: too much potential for recalls. Too many doors, nooks and crannies, lights and pieces (lidar), etc. etc.
The R1T is literally designed to attract investors, not for production.
They've driven two of them from Tierra Del Fuego to Los Angeles. Also one in Canada. I think that is fairly extensive.
I think you need to be better informed before making such negative remarks.
Remember, Tesla was a 'brand new' company with no products once. Oh, that's right... quite recently by car OEM standards.
powertoold
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Cool, I was just pointing out that there aren't any videos of the Rivians out in the wild. If you find one, let me know. I forgot about that Argentina test.
Otherwise, ya, it's good to see they did one distance test with the vehicles. I'm not being negative here, just realistic. I give them a 20% chance of reaching 1000/wk with either R1T or R1S.
rhumbliner
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That will turn out to be a difficult problem. EV’s require very little service and most dealerships will be reluctant to make the investment in training, tools, and facilities. Look at Nissan. Very few dealerships are able to service their Leaf. When I had my Leaf, there were 3 Nissan dealerships in Las Vegas and only 1 had a Leaf tech. A year later he transferred and none of the 3 would service my Leaf.
Yeah I know just like 1 yr ago there were so many in the wild sightings of the Y....
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powertoold
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Y'all funny. Y is 75% of 3, likely same proven and tested powertrain and battery tech. Y was revealed 3/19, first wild pics 5/19, first wild videos 9/19. Tesla semi has been testing in the wild for last 2 years.
R1T was revealed 11/18, has quad motors, new design, new everything. Much higher complexity than Teslas, apart from maybe the X. And they plan to charge 69k for a 105kwh car with 230mi range. Lol.
LasVegas2019
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Exactly why I canceled my R1T order. I really wanted the pickup but after thinking about service I decided to cancel my order and I put a deposit on a Cyber Truck. My only issue is I have the patience of a 5 year old so When the Rivian comes to market 1 year sooner than Cyber I may change my mind.
Rippin1Gear
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Service is not the only thing that I lean on.... you have to remind yourself of traveling outside your estimated range... who else has a charging network like Tesla?
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