AmpedRealtor
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No, I'm saying I'm really disappointed that Tesla went with that "thin wireway" as you call it. It's ugly. It's dumb-looking. It has no business being there. That's what I am saying. I didn't say any more than that.
How can you say these things unless you've seen it up close and personal? What if the conduit is wrapped in beautiful leather or alcantara, or is otherwise done in a way to eliminate the objection?
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I would consider that misrepresentation from Tesla. Not a very good business practice that's for sure. But Tesla certainly hinted folding 2nd row seat, the availability of that feature is a material fact to many perspective buyers. Hence the reason why Tesla included in the early presentation slides. Not conveying the change in design and specification to the early buyers with deposits down is an ethical issue. Plain and simple.
Are you kidding? You are saying that Tesla is guilty of MISREPRESENTATION because the specifications of the final, production version of Model S are different from the concept vehicle and some of the prototypes? And that Tesla should have informed deposit holders when it changed said specifications? Talk about a sense of entitlement. Everyone who put down a deposit knew that they were putting down a deposit on a product that could change. And you can get a refund on your deposit, too. So what's the problem?
If Tesla had to listen to people like you, it would never have made a car. Ever.
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It may not involve with monetary deposits at all!
The ethical part involves with trust, worthiness, credibility and truthfulness.
Tesla gave us the perception that foldable second row seats were in the plan.
Tesla has never denied that the plan for foldable second row seats have been aborted.
As a matter of fact, instead of denying it, Tesla reinforced that plan again in an e-mail.
Officially, Elon never said in yesterday presentation that the plan for foldable second row seats failed.
He praised the second row seats yesterday but he never said that they could not fold flat.
The engineering way is to tell us how other companies could do it and Tesla brightest and best could not.
For many of us, it is not about refundable deposits plain and simple.
The ethical way is to help us to make informed decisions: Model X's maximum rear trunk depth/length dimension in numbers as compared with Model S.
The ethical way is to come out the closet and tell us what happened.
Tesla does not owe you or anyone else any explanations regarding their internal design decisions. That's like demanding that Tesla explain why the Model S has a black nose-cone when some of the early prototype vehicles lacked said nose-cone. Was Tesla acting unethically when it showed a Mercedes interior in the concept Model S and then switched to a much more pedestrian and utilitarian interior for the actual production car?
This is the car. Period. If you like it, buy it. If you don't, cancel your order or move it to Model S. You don't have a right to make any such demands of Tesla, and I would suggest you change your expectations because no company on earth - none that I know of - would grant you any of the things you are asking for.
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As I said, whether the seats fold flat or not doesn't really affect me. But other perspective buyers could've relied what Tesla showed in previous presentations to make their purchase decision.
The opportunity cost for them being lost interest on the deposit and/or decision to purchase a competing product that they can enjoy sooner without the wait. What we have here is classic bait and switch IMHO.
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Talk about going off the deep end. Has someone put this thread into Ludicrous Mode all of a sudden?
Lost interest on your deposit?? Seriously... is this what the poor people at Tesla have to contend with after putting so much thought and effort into this gorgeous electric car?
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With all due respect I don't understand all the angst about second row seats and not being able to stow mattresses or furniture or large plywood in the MX. Come on, it's a $100K plus world class vehicle, which I certainly plan to purchase with my production reservation in the 600's to share HPWC in garage with Sig MS. I happen to haul furniture and plywood (not mattresses) and lots of other stuff but do it in my Chevy pickup, would never want to use expensive vehicle. Never can satisfy all of the people all of the time. But MS now with 35,000 miles by far best car we have ever had, look forward to Rock Paper Scissors with wife to see who gets to drive the MX. Cheers.
Agreed. So much complaining about not being able to fill the Model X with plywood, 2x4 posts, etc. I don't know anyone who hauls those kinds of things in their family SUV or minivan, let alone one that costs over $70,000. Model X is not for people who want to use it like a Ford F150. Those people should buy a Ford F150. Model X is not a pickup truck. If someone is disappointed that they can't use it like one, perhaps it's the wrong car for them.
How many of you haul wood planks, decking, 2x4s, flag poles, or whatever else in your Porsche Cayenne? Mercedes GLE? BMW X6? Range Rover Sport? Cadillac SRX?