-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
New M3SR vs LR
- Thread starter moadel82
- Start date
I bought an LR rather than SR for the following reasons. No regrets so far. This was a little over 2yrs ago:
1. I wanted max range for regional driving. Definitely a benefit as I found doing Sydney-Barossa and return (via Canberra).
2. I am keeping my LR for many years. I still want good range when the battery has lost range, which it will do over time.
3. I prefer the AWD handling on dirt roads. Very sure footed.
4. I'm guessing that it is still the case that LR has more regen- nice. Also faster battery preconditioning using 2 motor stators.
4. When we got ours, we also got a much better sound system, some extra lights as well as the acceleration and other stuff.
5. Acceleration is awesome- particularly useful overtaking huge road trains. Much less nerve racking. Around town, not needed.
1. I wanted max range for regional driving. Definitely a benefit as I found doing Sydney-Barossa and return (via Canberra).
2. I am keeping my LR for many years. I still want good range when the battery has lost range, which it will do over time.
3. I prefer the AWD handling on dirt roads. Very sure footed.
4. I'm guessing that it is still the case that LR has more regen- nice. Also faster battery preconditioning using 2 motor stators.
4. When we got ours, we also got a much better sound system, some extra lights as well as the acceleration and other stuff.
5. Acceleration is awesome- particularly useful overtaking huge road trains. Much less nerve racking. Around town, not needed.
Tam
Well-Known Member
More expensive, fire risks, shorter longevity.
The cons for SR are listed on previous post #23: heavier, less performance.
Not really if there is easily accessible home charging. I do agree if relying on commercial AC/DC chargers for all charging.
I don't see the point of keeping 60% up the sleeve when all I need for daily driving is 20%.
Let's do the maths
M3LR is 16% more expensive than M3SR on RRP basis
M3LR has 22% more WLTP range than M3SP
M3LR has 20% more warranted km than M3SR
And M3LR has a second motor.
(For current highland orders)
I can't see that a LR battery is necessarily more expensive...IMO the customer is getting more bang for buck
Last edited:
Tam
Well-Known Member
Cheaper products deserve cheap rate warranty.
Luxury, pricy products deserve first class warranty.
Tam
Well-Known Member
Really?. You really think that a $10,000 difference makes the M3LR into a luxury pricy product?.
Tesla are not a luxury car in the usual sense.
No, the bottom line is that despite what people keep saying that LFP batteries have greater longevity, Tesla gives 20% more warranted km for the LR non LFP battery.
Correct - M3LR vs RWD comparisons calculations noted above
And note the higher warranted km for M3LR compared with RWD
I'm not saying for one moment that the Lr is better value for money. There is a car for everyone at different price points but I am not sure that we can say that the LFP batteries are necessarily cheaper when packaged into a Tesla and longer lasting on a warranted km basis
Less battery cycles as it's a bigger battery.
I'm terms of cycles the RWD battery is more generous.. battery is 33% bigger, warranty only 20% more in km.
From the warranty POV of view the cycles matter nought - what is counted are the km.
And don't forget to remove the price of the Motor to calculate actual price of the battery. My sense is that the relative cost comes out as a wash.
Last edited:
Agree but it's use of the battery that determines degradation, and that correlates best to cycles.
I suspect if Tesla ever introduces V2G the warranty will change from km to kWh to better reflect usage, but the LR/P should still have a higher kWh warranty as they are a bigger battery.
Tam
Well-Known Member
The warranty is no good if owners want to use the battery longer than the warranty coverage.
The traditional Lithium life cycle rating is about 800, while LFP is about 3,000:
LFP Battery VS NMC Battery: Who’s the Winner?
LFP battery and NMC battery have their own pros and cons. There is no eternal winner. Each battery has the most suitable scenarios.
batteryfinds.com
bay74
Member
I've a SR+, and it does take more effort in planning trips than with a petrol car. Having driven Mel<-->Adel a few times with it, the nominal 350km real-world range is often not achievable - because there's not a charger at 350kms, and you therefore have to stop earlier anyway.
But there are more and more fast chargers being deployed, which should make the SR easier to travel with (though some sites are *sugar*, like the Vic Gov's single-plug Charging the Regions (or whatever) ones. Idiots. Was blocked for half an hour by a Tesla sitting at 99% last time I tried to use the Castlemaine DCFC).
Mine's not LFP chemistry (NCA or NMC, dunno). It's more than fast enough. We couldn't imagine spending 95k on a car so didn't consider the LR.
But there are more and more fast chargers being deployed, which should make the SR easier to travel with (though some sites are *sugar*, like the Vic Gov's single-plug Charging the Regions (or whatever) ones. Idiots. Was blocked for half an hour by a Tesla sitting at 99% last time I tried to use the Castlemaine DCFC).
Mine's not LFP chemistry (NCA or NMC, dunno). It's more than fast enough. We couldn't imagine spending 95k on a car so didn't consider the LR.
Not an owner (yet) but I've driven both. My immediate impressions: The SR is a nice car, but the LR is an amazing car. Having been spoilt by an AWD Model S, I would not hesitate to go for the LR - for the range, AWD and it goes like stink. Absolutely worth every penny of the price difference.
Thread is interesting readingThe warranty is no good if owners want to use the battery longer than the warranty coverage.
The traditional Lithium life cycle rating is about 800, while LFP is about 3,000:
LFP Battery VS NMC Battery: Who’s the Winner?
LFP battery and NMC battery have their own pros and cons. There is no eternal winner. Each battery has the most suitable scenarios.
My googling comes up with 1500-2000 cycles for the LR battery, where is 800 coming from?
I think it is an out of date statistic now. Poster did say "traditional life cycle rating".
