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New Model Y details from supposed internal documents

Discussion in 'Model Y' started by 11thIndian, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. gjunky

    gjunky Trifecta: Solar and both cars are EVs

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    Can we just have a hatchback version of the Model 3 please...

    Please no
    • FW doors
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    • 6000lbs
     
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  2. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2019.32.2.2

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    When they first unveiled the 3 nearly three years ago. I was happy I had already placed a reservation earlier in the day, sight-unseen. Later that evening there were videos of people taking test rides and I saw the trunk. I immediately removed it from consideration. I placed an order for a Model S 10 days later.
     
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  3. Peteski

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    I would bet my house the Model Y will be nowhere near that heavy. We know it's based on the M3 platform and so it will be considerably smaller and lighter than the Model X. It's likely to be about the same size as a BMW X3, which would be its logical target market.

    Personally I think they will style it similar to the X with an aerodynamic profile rather than a more conventional box design - which would be out of sync with their other models. But I suppose there is a chance that they might make it a bit more utilitarian to maximise space on the smaller platform. The thing with the X is that even though it has a sloping roofline, it's still bigger inside than most of its direct box-like SUV rivals e.g. Volvo XC90, Porsche Cayenne.

    As for battery size, again I would bet my house that the Model Y doesn't have anything remotely like a 200 kWh battery option! Be more like 75 kWh in line with M3, perhaps with a 90 kWh option tops.

    Basically sounds like you need to wait for the pickup!
     
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    #84 Xenoilphobe, Jan 9, 2019
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    You do understand its the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating not the weight of the vehicle.... Say the vehicle weights 4000 lbs and and has a 2000 pound cargo and passenger capacity, this would qualify the vehicle as a Standard SUV.

    The Model 3 has a GVWR of over 4800 pounds. The base weight of the 3 is 3814 pounds It wouldn't be that much of stretch to get to 6001 pounds in an SUV config. Assume the same BMI of the Model X verses the Model S. The GVWR in the Model S is 5997 pounds, the Model X GVWR is 6768 pounds, (approximately 11.4% heaver than the sedan) IF they exceed 6001 pounds GVWR, then all us small business owners can write off the capital acquisition costs of the vehicle... in fact under current law 75% of value in year one!!!! They will sell the hell out of this SUV to fleet managers of businesses.

    Did some math - 4801 is the GVWR of the Model 3, if we make it 11.4% heavier the GVWR will be 5473 pounds, so we have a ~500 pound delta they could make up with stronger suspension components to get to 6001.
    From another view point the Gross weight of the Model 3 is 3800 pounds wiith ~ 1000 pound cargo capacity. if the Model Y has a gross weight of 4500 pounds with a cargo capacity of 1501 pounds we are good to go!!!

    If they dont get to 6001 on the Y, I hope they add 4 more pounds to the 5997 GVWR of the Model S, so I can get the 75% writeoff on my next one... I hope the Y has a GVWR of 6001 pounds and this pig gets me a 75% reduction in the cost to acquire!!!
     
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    I kind of doubt Tesla will take the hit on range by adding an extra 500 pounds to get it over 6000...

    Like others, I see the MY being a M3 in SUV shape. 5 pax, a little taller with more ground clearance, hatchback, but otherwise a M3.
     
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    #86 Xenoilphobe, Jan 9, 2019
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    The two largest international markets have tax incentives that give up to100% subsidies to Tesla or EV's... why not take advantage of that same domestic tax incentive here to crush the market????? Does anyone at Tesla even look at this stuff????

    These European Countries Are Embracing Electric Car Adoption

     
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    Ah I see now! Sorry I thought you had gone nuts, but my mistake! I guess you could be lucky, but it's still a big ask on the M3 platform. If Tesla didn't bother adding 4 lb on the Model S to push it over the limit, then I can't see them adding 500+ lbs on the Model Y.
     
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    Look at page 5. The Model S P100D does exceed 6000 GVWR https://iaspub.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=39834&flag=1 ILL TAKE 10% of your savings
     
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    #89 Xenoilphobe, Jan 10, 2019
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    YESSSSSSS!!!! Need to share this with the house CFO (wife)......so page 5 P100D does qualify at 6043 lbs GVWR!!!!!....

    There is a a ton of cool data in this document... looks like a new battery config in the 75 making its output higher too.. "80P" with more range too..page 16...
     
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    #90 Xenoilphobe, Jan 10, 2019
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    Looks like the P100D does qualify at 6043 lbs GVWR!!!!! see document below.. Hopefully the "P" model of the Y will qualify - also its not about adding weight, its about adding cargo carrying capacity to push the car up to 6000 lbs GVWR....

    New Model Y details from supposed internal documents
     
  11. StealthP3D

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    True, but range only matters in highway driving. In other words, the 75 kWh battery of the Model 3 exists primarily for highway range. Give the 75kWh battery a brick-shaped body and you've turned a 310-mile range into 200 highway miles.

    I LOVE how far the Model 3 will coast in neutral!
     
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    Out of interest does the subsidy make up for the huge cost increase of the P100D vs 100D or 75D? Obviously that doesn't matter if you were going to buy the P100D anyway, but if you were just upgrading to get the subsidy would it be actually worth it financially?
     
  13. gjunky

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    I totally understand the GVWR, we own a model X. That is exactly why I didn’t want it to be heavy enough to get to that rating. You can feel the weight in the X during “more active” driving. One of the reasons I feel the model 3 is more fun to drive.
     
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    Ok, more details on the Model S GVWR... went to the SC in McLean VA today to check out the P100D Model S.... and found out that a November production 2018 maxed out only has a 5963 GVWR.... further the only Model S P100D that has a GVWR over 6K is the 7 seat version. The sales guys didn't even know until we looked it up... and they said a lot of small business owners wanted the S, but got pushed to the X due to the GVWR being below 6K on the S...
     
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  15. Qbenjamin

    Qbenjamin Frugal But Classy!

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    I've found the range on the M3 to be incredibly efficient versus my old S60. I noticed a 10% range loss at highway speeds in the M3 (75 mph), same trip in the S60, the range loss was nearly 33%.
     
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    One of the model 3 owners I spoke to pointed out the height limitation of the trunk. I think you can fold down the back seats, but you still can't get anything tall in there from the trunk.
     
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    Maybe Elon will talk about MY tomorrow for earning call ? When is the concept unveil scheduled ? Definitely not a " boring bonehead question " ;)
     
  19. 11thIndian

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    If date for Model Y unveiling doesn't come up on Wednesday's earnings call, I'll be surprised. If the March 15th date is still valid, we're only about 6 weeks away.
     
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  20. vickh

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    wonder if they'll firm up production dates as well. hoping for Q2 2020?
     

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