Haha - so I started this thread, in passing I hinted I have a referral to share, so PM me and what happens, someone else posts their referral and another PM's me their referral?! Then I'm told I'm someone else LOL
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SMETS2 don't use mobile networks they use the crappy WAN as you say, which was supposed to provide improved coverage. haSmart meters don't use mobile in the north, they use a separate network.
Which doesn't work. Government cheapest bid FTW.
But *in theory* mobile reception is no issue
Apologies for posting referral.Mod reminder: posting referral codes is against TMC rules. They will be removed when reported.
Exchanging referral codes through (sollicited) PM's is fine.
Will the new off peak tariff be available to those wanting electricity only? If so, please send me a referral!
Last time I enquired it was for customers who wanted gas+electricity only
You can say you want to join GO right from when you join now. If you don't have a smart meter they still stick you on the standard tariff of course but they start the process of smart meter installation straight away. The day the confirmation of completion of my switch came through they sent me a mail to expect a call from the meter installers with instructions to contact Octopus if I had heard nothing in 14 days.You have mail
I’m elec only and on the Go tariff. You signup to one of their other tariffs and switch to Go once you’re on supply.
SMETS2 don't use mobile networks they use the crappy WAN as you say, which was supposed to provide improved coverage. ha
The older SMETS1 use mobile networks but it is quite common for the same areas to have crap coverage in both
I don't live in the middle of nowhere i'm in a small town in a fairly rural area but for some reason the WAN and all mobile networks have a really really bad signal where my house is. Go a few hundred yard north and the mobile signal is fine. I can't have a smets2 I'm currently waiting to find out if I can have a SMETS1. If not I might have to look at E7 but not sure the increased day rate will make it worthwhile. Its very depressingInteresting point. We were put under pressure to have a smart meter when we requested a change to an Economy 7 meter. As we have no mobile signal here, I suggested that a smart meter may not work, and we'd rather stick with the E7 tariff (works better for us, at the moment).
When the meter fitter came out we chatted about smart meters and his comment was that he could have told his office that fitting a smart meter here would be a waste of time, as he knows the area and knows they just don't work here, as they can't "phone home". Did make me wonder how many other areas were "no go" zones for smart metering.
I've been doing some calcs... didn't have enough space to do it on the back of a fag packet (I don't smoke too) so did it on my favourite app - notepad!
My conclusion is that these EV friendly energy tariffs could provide a decent saving to you if you do very high volumes of charging at home and stick to the short 'off-peak' times for EV charging. If you're EV charging requirements at home are very low and your household energy usage is high, in some cases you may actually be better off with a non-EV friendly tariff. See a couple of worked example below using Ocotopus Go and Avro Energy as an example.
Assuming medium household electricity usage per year: 3200kWh
Octopus Go
Off-peak unit rate (00:30-04:30): 5p/kWh
Peak-rate unit rate: 14.29p/kWh
Daily standing charge: 25p
Avro Energy - Simple and SuperSave
Unit rate 13.808p/kWh
Daily standing charge: 18.9p
Example 1: Assuming high volume of charging at home: 10,000 miles per year
30 miles added per hour @7kWh charging rate
= 333 hours of charging (10,000 / 30)
= 2,331kWh of electricty usage (7kWh x 333 hours)
Annual electricty costs using Octopus Go:
Assuming all car charging performed using off-peak rate: 0.05 x 2,331 = £116.55
+
Household electricty usage: 0.1429 * 3200 = £457.28
+
Standing charge: 0.25 * 365 = £91.25
Total = 116.55 + 457.28 + 91.25 = £665.08
Annual electricty costs using Avro Energy:
Car charging: 0.13808 x 2,331 = £321.86
+
Household electricty usage: 0.13808 * 3200 = £441.86
+
Standing charge: 0.189 * 365 = £68.99
Total = 321.86 + 441.86 + 68.99 = £832.71
Savings using Octopus Go = £167.63
Example 2: Assuming medium-lower volume of charging at home: 5,000 miles = 1,165kWh
Annual electricty costs using Octopus Go:
Assuming all car charging performed using off-peak rate: 0.05 x 1,165 = £58.25
+
Household electricty usage: 0.1429 * 3200 = £457.28
+
Standing charge: 0.25 * 365 = £91.25
Total = 58.25 + 457.28 + 91.25 = £606.78
Annual electricty costs using Avro Energy:
Car charging: 0.13808 x 1,165 = £160.86
+
Household electricty usage: 0.13808 * 3200 = £441.86
+
Standing charge: 0.189 * 365 = £68.99
Total = 160.86 + 441.86 + 68.99 = £671.71
Savings using Octopus Go = £64.93
I was on Three for a while and was happy with it - EXCEPT at home I could hardly get a phone signal at all unless I was upstairs and constantly had missed or interrupted calls. I switched to BT (EE Network) and it has been transformatory. I have at least 2 bars of signal anywhere in the house. O2 is not that great here and I think older cars like mine use O2, so the car's 4G signal is borderline, but we do have WiFi (though even that isn't great despite the car being just 10 feet from the router inside the house).I don't live in the middle of nowhere i'm in a small town in a fairly rural area but for some reason the WAN and all mobile networks have a really really bad signal where my house is. Go a few hundred yard north and the mobile signal is fine. I can't have a smets2 I'm currently waiting to find out if I can have a SMETS1. If not I might have to look at E7 but not sure the increased day rate will make it worthwhile. Its very depressing
I don't live in the middle of nowhere i'm in a small town in a fairly rural area but for some reason the WAN and all mobile networks have a really really bad signal where my house is. Go a few hundred yard north and the mobile signal is fine. I can't have a smets2 I'm currently waiting to find out if I can have a SMETS1. If not I might have to look at E7 but not sure the increased day rate will make it worthwhile. Its very depressing
Yes, our house burns about 350W even in the wee hours and, say 5 nights a week of dishwasher use and 2 nights of washing machine probably add up to 20 kWh /week or £1, so £50 a year - saving £80 compared to a 13p flat rate.Your calculations assume no household usage during the Go period so would be a worst case scenario
Yes, our house burns about 350W even in the wee hours and, say 5 nights a week of dishwasher use and 2 nights of washing machine probably add up to 20 kWh /week or £1, so £50 a year - saving £80 compared to a 13p flat rate.
I have budgeted for 750 miles of annual worth of peak-rate charging but in the last 6 months I've only used about 70kWh - about 230 miles.Yep, everyone has some background electricity usage even in the night and there will be some who are able to set/run dishwashers and washing machines at night so the savings will be a little more for those folks.
But even with a EV tariff there will be times when you may need to charge outside the off-peak periods - maybe two days of back-to-back long drives. So the savings may be a little less than expected.