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New renderings of storage space and 2nd row seats! (9/15)

Discussion in 'Model X: Interior & Exterior' started by NigelM, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. caps04

    caps04 Member

    Aug 14, 2014
    NJ USA
    If Model X can seat 5+Bike (like it seems in the render), it's a major improvement over Model S 2+Bike.

    And when you add the major increase in Frunk+Trunk space compared to the puny frunk in the Dual motor Model S, I'd go for the X any day (I won't personally because I don't have a large family or pets but that's besides the point).

    If there's a real complaint against X, it's basically not having a roof rack (especially needed for super long items) and no panoramic sunroof that opens, not the cubic capacity.
  2. hpham007

    hpham007 Banned

    Jul 17, 2015
    You do realize that the second row is pushed forward to make the bike barely fit right? Its still 2+bike in the x except since the S seats fold, there's way more room in the S.
  3. anticitizen13.7

    anticitizen13.7 Not posting at TMC after 9/17/2018

    Dec 22, 2012
    United States
    I'm not surprised at all at the animosity.

    Many people put down serious $ for a reservation, and as of last year, Tesla was still showing pictures of the 2nd row folding with a caption reading "what would you do with all this space" or something similar. Throw in a contingent of TMC forum members who will justify anything that Tesla does, and animosity is going to happen.

    I don't see this as a necessarily bad thing. Tesla employees do monitor the forum, and the controversy sends a message.
  4. Tim Alguire

    Tim Alguire Member

    Aug 28, 2014
    Vancouver Canada
    I step away from my phone for meeting and with in a couple hours there is this post of 12 pages!

    I fink it bye resting to hear people complaining about how a bike fits or doesn't fit in back of an X... Seriously folks! We have been looking at the Model X prototypes and mules for how many years? We have been talking about inside space for years.. Comments like "oh my Model S can fit a bike as well with the seats down". GOSH... The model X seats SEVEN (7). The Model S seats 5+2.. Need 7 seats, get an X. You need 5, get an S. That simple. The are tons of bike racks that fit on the back of a car such as the Model X.

    Oh! And these are Signature Seats.. The might even be a different seat option for the 2nd row. Who knows!

    Just my my two cents (5 cents in Canada as we don't have pennies any more plus the USA conversion)
  5. yesup

    yesup Member

    Oct 13, 2014
    Maybe you are right..... but I honestly can't tell for sure from that angle if or how much the 2nd row was pushed forward.
  6. BerTX

    BerTX Supporting Member

    May 2, 2014
    I sure hope you are right.

    I do have a question, though. Where did the extra length of the cargo area come from? I mean, if the cargo area of the MS is 76" in length to the back of the first row seats, and the cargo area you calculate for the MX is 76" to the back of the stowed 2nd row seats, then that part of the cargo area is the same. However, the MX has the additional thickness of the stowed 2nd row seats in there, and that is -- what -- another 15" or so from the back of the front seat to the back of the 2nd row seat? That additional interior length had to come from somewhere, and the MX is only 2" longer than the MS.

    So we have established that the back area is the same, but we have to come up with an additional 12" somewhere in the interior of the car to account for the thickness of the stowed 2nd row seat. Did they move the front seats a foot further forward, and the dash, and shorten the hood (remember, this is a dual motor car, there isn't space up there to move too far forward)?

    I still hope you are right.
  7. Aljohn

    Aljohn Member

    Oct 17, 2014
    #147 Aljohn, Sep 15, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2015
    It appeared (to me) that the bike was in the space of the 3rd row. The boxes were with the 2nd row "forward". At any rate, would it be so difficult for Tesla to disclose the space in NUMBERS.... how many inches, mm, yards, cubes, anything but a speculative picture. Does anyone at Tesla know how to communicate without causing more speculation. When I get specs from Audi, everything is laid out... head room, leg room storage space in cubic feet, floor space in inches or mm. This secrecy or lack of clarity doesn't bare well.

    If the desired affect was to provide information about the storage space due to the "unrest", seeing the speculation nature of this forum, Tesla failed badly.
  8. eloder

    eloder Active Member

    Mar 12, 2015
    Ohio, USA
    #148 eloder, Sep 15, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2015
    I'm trying to understand where you're coming from, but if you're taking two kids somewhere, I don't think folding down second row seats would apply to you. Were you planning on sticking the kids in the frunk, or were they hanging out with the cargo?

    Folding seats would not fix your dilemma, and the presence of the frunk gives the MX way, way, way more space than any other SUV/CUV out there when you actually take more than one passenger.

    Emphasis on the frunk. It's cavernous. It's like having a foldable 4th row of seats and extra hatch available.

    The seats still slide forward and hug the front. You're talking about maybe being able to haul plywood that's one foot shorter, at worst, and while hauling plywood you can also fit two golf club bags in the frunk. You have to be the fringiest of fringe storage cases to have more usable space in a competing gas SUV than you would in a Model X, and I very much believe that the non-next gen rear seats will fold down and be an option on non-sig models anyways.
  9. Beryl

    Beryl Member

    Feb 19, 2015
    South of Houston
    Yep. It is tiresome to read the "MX is ugly" comments as well. If you don't like it, fine. Move along but why rain on the parade of those who do? Fortunately, I know how to ignore the naysayers.
    This woman will be hauling mostly adults but prefer the functionality of a smallish SUV - like the Lexus 350. What I'm reading so far about the MX is better than any of the competition.

    FYI - I'm rooting for and have stock in Tesla but if something better comes along, I'll look closely at it.
  10. proven

    proven Member

    Sep 1, 2015
    Raleigh, NC
    Something nobody seems to have mentioned is that in both of those pictures the very back end of the storage area doesn't seem to have the deep well that was originally in the prototype (and as in the Model S). I hope that space is still in there as that adds quite a lot of storage space, especially when the third row is up.
  11. goneskiian

    goneskiian Active Member

    Nov 16, 2012
    Bellevue WA
    There is, however, what looks to be a handle for a cover to said compartment. Look under the back wheel of the bike.
  12. NigelM

    NigelM Recovering Member

    Apr 3, 2011
    Northern Virginia
    Was mentioned here.
  13. WestCoastP85D

    WestCoastP85D Member

    Jul 6, 2015
    San Jose, CA
    Hmm.. No Roof rack. No fold down second row. Makes you wonder about the U in SUV. All honesty, difficult to justify this car for "U"-tility reasons. Like I said, those doors better be amazing.
  14. Electroman

    Electroman Well-Known Member

    Aug 18, 2012
    I hope 'Gull Winged' doesn't get into the lexicon.
  15. ecarfan

    ecarfan Well-Known Member

    Sep 21, 2013
    San Mateo, CA
    I am certain that space is present in the X since it is built on a very similar chassis to the S and there is nothing else to fill up that space.
  16. andrewket

    andrewket Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2012
    All true.. but did we really want a minivan?
  17. wk057

    wk057 Senior Tinkerer

    Feb 23, 2014
    Hickory, NC, USA
  18. stopcrazypp

    stopcrazypp Well-Known Member

    Dec 8, 2007
    #158 stopcrazypp, Sep 15, 2015
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2015
    What year is that? Do you have a picture of it folded flat?

    I found a video of the 2010 Sienna, which does appear to have a seat with shoulder belts that can fold flat:

    The explanation by Toyota for why the 2011 version doesn't fold flat perhaps applies to the Model X too (and perhaps gives credence to the theory there might be "regular" seats that do fold flat):

    For the 2011 and 2015 model year, the Sienna 2nd row seats can't fold flat. They can fold forward at a certain angle (like the front seats in a coupe), but the problem is very much similar to the Model X (you can push the seat all the way forward, but it still takes up vertical space). Of course the Sienna seats are removable, but the Model X ones are not (as far as we know).

    2015 Sienna:

    2011 Sienna:
  19. Hugh Mannity

    Hugh Mannity Mediocre Member

    Jul 31, 2014
    Calgary, AB
    I think the space will be just fine what with the frunk and trunk cavities. hopefully it can be slept in though!
  20. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker S 100D 2019.32.2.2

    Mar 8, 2015
    Here's yet another example of fold flat seats with seat belts integrated into the seat:

    Volvo XC70


    Obviously it is possible in cars, vans, buses, etc. , as I showed in my previous posts.

    Do you need more examples?

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