New SC rates in Ontario

[cdswm3]

Looks like Tesla increased the SC rates in Ontario to 60 cents per KW.

In 2020 I could charge my SR+ for $6-$7. Now it's $25-$30 and keeps going up. Getting close to gas prices. Glad I don't travel much in Ontario.

 

[archanfel]

Yeah, it is more expensive to charge the Tesla than fueling up my Prius C now (which can go 800kms on a tank whereas my Model Y can only go less than 400kms). Glad I only charge at home and there's a free level 2 charger not too far away if needed.

 

[zknobody]

Anyone use the IVY chargers in Ontario?
I know they are only 50 kW without the CCS Adapter but they might cost less if you don't need a full charge.

 

[UncleCreepy]

Anyone use the IVY chargers in Ontario?
I know they are only 50 kW without the CCS Adapter but they might cost less if you don't need a full charge.

I used Ivy chargers before and haven't had a whole lot of good experience with them.
Also, keep in mind that Teslas heat the battery during charging, so even if the 50 kW charger delivered 50 kW (it doesn't), the battery would still only see ~43 kW, which has quite an impact on the price per kWh. They currently charge $23.73 per hour plus tax where I live. So even under perfect circumstances, you'd be paying more than $0.62 per usable kWh.

To be fair, the numbers look significantly better if you use CCS.

Of course the car will also heat the battery while DCFC charging at a SuC, but the loss is a lot lower (in percent) while charging at higher power.

 

[wayner]

Looks like Tesla increased the SC rates in Ontario to 60 cents per KW.

In 2020 I could charge my SR+ for $6-$7. Now it's $25-$30 and keeps going up. Getting close to gas prices. Glad I don't travel much in Ontario.

My rate hasn't gone up since I got my car in 2015 ;-)

 

[zknobody]

Hydro rates did not increase in Ontario so I'm wondering what prompted the increase.

 

[Soul Surfer]

I am grateful to have my WC3 at my parking spot (unmetered).

 

[cdswm3]

Hydro rates did not increase in Ontario so I'm wondering what prompted the increase.

desire to make more money. Non Tesla's are going to in for a big surprise with the even higher rates.

 

[zknobody]

desire to make more money. Non Tesla's are going to in for a big surprise with the even higher rates.

Why not increase country wide? BC prices went down ? Just didn't make sense

 

[wayner]

Hydro rates did not increase in Ontario so I'm wondering what prompted the increase.

I am assuming Tesla pays industrial rates. Do we know that they didn't change? Residential rates in Ontario usually adjust twice per year - May and November. I am not so sure how industrial rates work.

 

[mrElbe]

I am assuming Tesla pays industrial rates. Do we know that they didn't change? Residential rates in Ontario usually adjust twice per year - May and November. I am not so sure how industrial rates work.

Industrial rates include a "Demand Charge". That is a charge based on the highest peak demand used by a customer in a month. And electric vehicle charging has a high "demand".

 

[wayner]

Industrial rates include a "Demand Charge". That is a charge based on the highest peak demand used by a customer in a month. And electric vehicle charging has a high "demand".

So would this be based on the aggregate peak demand of all of Tesla usage across Ontario? Or would it be aggregated by particular utility, like Hydro One, Toronto Hydro, etc? Would that peak demand likely be on weekends or holidays when the grid has less demand from other industrial users? That is my guess, but I could be way off. I would think that highest demand at SCs is on long weekends like Labour Day.

 

[rypalmer]

So would this be based on the aggregate peak demand of all of Tesla usage across Ontario? Or would it be aggregated by particular utility, like Hydro One, Toronto Hydro, etc? Would that peak demand likely be on weekends or holidays when the grid has less demand from other industrial users? That is my guess, but I could be way off. I would think that highest demand at SCs is on long weekends like Labour Day.

Per meter/site.

 

[CCopperpot]

damn, and here I thought 0.40/kwh was expensive

 

[M109Rider]

Looks like Tesla increased the SC rates in Ontario to 60 cents per KW.

In 2020 I could charge my SR+ for $6-$7. Now it's $25-$30 and keeps going up. Getting close to gas prices. Glad I don't travel much in Ontario.

I don’t supercharge a lot. I charge mostly at home, but I don’t recall ever seeing (even recently) a $25-$30 fee.
Are you comparing a $6-$7 fee at 5 year old pricing, starting at 50% charge to 80% charge; to prices today from 5% to 100% charge?