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Suit yourself. And I am sorry that you feel that I insulted your intelligence with my post.I think it's fair to say that instead of playing a game of "what if I had bought a car in November," you should simply listen to the people who in fact did buy a car in November. Of course some people are bothered by things that don't bother other people. I'm pretty ambivalent about my trim pieces lining up perfectly, but I'm furious about the EAP deception. Other people went apoplectic about their trim alignment, but are ambivalent about the EAP delay.
Insulting other owners for not knowing not to believe Tesla -- rather than holding Tesla accountable for their lack of honesty -- frankly seems bizarre.
Fake apology accepted.Suit yourself. And I am sorry that you feel that I insulted your intelligence with my post.
Your response was to this:See post #132, the topic was valuation and the importance of a particular CEO to their respective companies not innovation.
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That's an assertion that is impossible to prove.
Let's be real if we tried to do a valuation
Musk vs Bezos
Musk vs Cook
Musk vs Zuckerburg
Musk vs Netflix CEO (Do you even know his name? I would have to Google it)
Musk vs Larry Page / Sergey Brin
I don't think its even debatable which company falls the hardest when losing their flagship CEO.
The way I read that statement is that when Apple was at a similar stage to Tesla, a key CEO leaving almost killed the company. However, by the time Cook took over, Apple was already well established, and innovation was not necessary for the survival of the company.When Jobs was forced out the first time Apple nearly died. No plan B worked. I'm not sure Cook is a great counter since Apple has ceased innovating since Jobs died.
No, you're misunderstanding the context. He was responding to the comment I quoted above about valuation and you said:Your response was to this:
The way I read that statement is that when Apple was at a similar stage to Tesla, a key CEO leaving almost killed the company. However, by the time Cook took over, Apple was already well established, and innovation was not necessary for the survival of the company.
Tesla has not reached that stage yet.
Nope, @croman responded to this comment (leaving only the relevant part):No, you're misunderstanding the context. He was responding to the comment I quoted above about valuation and you said:
"Market cap has almost nothing to do with innovation. Some of the most innovative companies are startups and they don't have anywhere near the market cap of established companies."
So what I'm trying to tell you is my comments were not about innovation but about what a great job Cook did in succession as a CEO. As a side note he was there managing the company as COO during the innovative periods as well. Hope that makes sense.
That shows you what a bad CEO Musk actually is. No CEO should ever put their company in such a position. Even Jobs had a B plan with Cook. What is Musk's plan?
His point was Apple didn't need a plan B (and doesn't seem to have one) to survive without Jobs by the time Cook took over. Nothing to do with valuation of the company.When Jobs was forced out the first time Apple nearly died. No plan B worked. I'm not sure Cook is a great counter since Apple has ceased innovating since Jobs died.
Nope, @croman responded to this comment (leaving only the relevant part):
His point was Apple didn't need a plan B (and doesn't seem to have one) to survive without Jobs by the time Cook took over. Nothing to do with valuation of the company.
I must have misunderstood then or maybe you are referring to something else when saying "valuation" (value of the CEO?). The definition of valuation I'm using is market cap, but it seems you are using a different one.I like what you are saying about the stage Tesla is in but my comment was about valuation and how jobs was instrumental to creating new products that created new markets. Tablets and smartphones were not invented by Apple but they took it to such a great place. I give credit to jobs. I see the same with Tesla and Musk.
I must have misunderstood then or maybe you are referring to something else when saying "valuation" (value of the CEO?). The definition of valuation I'm using is market cap, but it seems you are using a different one.
Ok, I understand the confusion now. @msnow and I were talking about market cap, while you seem to be talking about the value of a CEO.the context of what I was replying to was the value of the CEO to a company. Much like assessing the MVP of a team. Is it determined by the player whose most instrumental to that team or just the best player in the league. I believe it's the former.
Can we PLEAZE get back to reasoned, data-driven, completely made up and baseless predictions of when we will get the "silky smooth next month" update?
My belief:
June 17
And it will include access to the hidden ashtray.
Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's the "sensitive and specific" update? And why do both these updates sound suspiciously like discreet body waxing products?So late? Then it need to be version SilkySmooth and version Sensitive&Specific bundled together.
THANK YOU!Can we PLEAZE get back to reasoned, data-driven, completely made up and baseless predictions of when we will get the "silky smooth next month" update?
My belief:
June 17
And it will include access to the hidden ashtray.
The stop sign hiding in the bushes or behind the branch is the problem. It really needs to be 100%
Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's the "sensitive and specific" update? And why do both these updates sound suspiciously like discreet body waxing products?
Does it need to be 100% of the time if 90% of the time it can brake for you and and prevent you from running a stop sign?????
Comma needed after "no".No stop sign detection and red light detection needs to be 100%. No question.
Yeah, I know. Otherwise it means the exact opposite of what I meant.Comma needed after "no".