Nightmare! (Supercharger queues)

[IanInCyaak]

There needs to be more stalls - and faster v3 stalls - on that M6/M74 corridor. Its still not an every day occurrence - yet. But it could be by next summer with so many more Teslas on the road. The problem is that because Tesla has the only reliable network it makes the brand the leading choice for people making longer trips which need these MSA charges.

So what we really need is regulation of the wild west non-Tesla charging infrastructure. Remove the multiplicity of networks, each demanding different payment methods and personal data, each with different levels of "don't care" attitudes to their kit slow charging or being broken. Make charging simple and reliable, whatever the car or network. Then we have the makings of a long term solution...

 

[Zilla91]

Maybe the government should create a new regulator that can slap fines on those companies for any downtime.

You want the carrot of big subsidies then you need to have an equally large stick if they don’t keep their end of the bargain up

 

[DaveNN]

At least the supercharger network is exclusive to teslas


Oh......

 

[TechnoWatch]

Hmmm, not sure. Only 10% the population compared to UK and land-area 1.5x as big. Although I tend to think that mountainous areas have roads "up the valley" which concentrates the traffic, and thus makes positioning of services more worthwhile.

But their sovereign wealth fund must be helping too

I had a look on Supercharge Info

UK has
2x 24 stall, 1x 18 stall, 1x 17 stall, and 10x 16 stall (permits for 2x 32 stall)

Norway has
1x 44 stall, 1x 42 stall, 3x 40 stall, 2x 36 stall, 2x 28 stall,
5x 24 stall, 1 x 22 stall, 16 x 20 stall, 4x 18 stall, 8x 16 stall

I took a look at the data source you mentioned - supercharge.info if I am correct...

There are actually more sites in the UK vs Norway (105 vs 102) with more in construction (11 vs 3) and under permit (23 vs 14), so coverage in the UK appears to be much better than Norway...

However, the sites in Norway appear to be generally larger as there are 58% more stalls in Norway (991 vs 1562). The majority of stalls in the UK are at sites of between 8 and 12 stalls, so queues in Norway at a site should be less likely....

Full data pivot from UK

Spoiler

Sum of Stalls

Stalls at site

Charger power

2​

4​

5​

6​

8​

9​

10​

12​

14​

15​

16​

17​

18​

24​

32​

Grand Total

CONSTRUCTION

24​

30​

24​

48​

126​

120

8​

16​

24​

150

16​

16​

250

16​

30​

24​

16​

86​

OPEN

12​

24​

5​

84​

296​

10​

288​

14​

15​

160​

17​

18​

48​

991​

120

6​

6​

125

8​

8​

130

12​

12​

5​

12​

56​

16​

113​

138

16​

16​

150

8​

30​

96​

132​

32​

17​

24​

339​

250

4​

36​

136​

10​

156​

14​

15​

96​

18​

24​

509​

PERMIT

20​

6​

64​

9​

60​

14​

64​

237​

120

32​

32​

150

8​

32​

40​

250

20​

6​

56​

9​

60​

14​

165​

Grand Total

12​

44​

5​

90​

384​

9​

40​

372​

28​

15​

208​

17​

18​

48​

64​

1354​

Full data pivot from Norway

Spoiler

Sum of Stalls

Stalls at site

Charger Power

3​

4​

6​

8​

9​

10​

12​

14​

16​

18​

20​

22​

24​

28​

36​

40​

42​

44​

Grand Total

CONSTRUCTION

16​

20​

36​

250

16​

20​

36​

OPEN

9​

12​

42​

80​

9​

50​

336​

28​

128​

72​

320​

22​

120​

56​

72​

120​

42​

44​

1562​

130

6​

12​

18​

135

12​

12​

150

4​

30​

64​

50​

156​

28​

80​

18​

180​

22​

48​

42​

44​

766​

200

4​

4​

250

9​

4​

6​

16​

9​

156​

48​

54​

140​

72​

56​

72​

120​

762​

PERMIT

6​

8​

9​

10​

36​

32​

40​

28​

80​

249​

250

6​

8​

9​

10​

36​

32​

40​

28​

80​

249​

Grand Total

9​

12​

48​

104​

18​

60​

372​

28​

160​

72​

380​

22​

120​

84​

72​

200​

42​

44​

1847​

 

[imstitch]

I took a look at the data source you mentioned - if I am correct...

There are actually more sites in the UK vs Norway (105 vs 102) with more in construction (11 vs 3) and under permit (23 vs 14), so coverage in the UK appears to be much better than Norway...

However, the sites in Norway appear to be generally larger as there are 58% more stalls in Norway (991 vs 1562). The majority of stalls in the UK are at sites of between 8 and 12 stalls, so queues in Norway at a site should be less likely....

Take those numbers from supercharge.info with a pinch of salt. The construction/under permit entries are just publicly sourced info. Tesla's own map shows they plan to open around 30 new locations in Norway in 2023 and quite a few of the uk ones 'under permit' have been so for over a year. Brighton supercharger coming in 2030 at this rate.

Also, looking at the permits, both 32x sites have had no news since 2018/2019.

 

[debrooker]

Was at braintree grid serve @ 10am today was the only ev of any sort, guess we can all relax for another year

 

[spdpsba]

Was at braintree grid serve @ 10am today was the only ev of any sort, guess we can all relax for another year

But check tomorrow there will be traffic chaos everywhere including EV chargers!

 

[debrooker]

But check tomorrow there will be traffic chaos everywhere including EV chargers!

I'm sure they will be. I enjoyed this rare moment. On a side note they had an ora cat and it looked a nice bit of kit

 

[WannabeOwner]

Was at braintree grid serve @ 10am today was the only ev of any sort,

I stopped at the Macon supercharger a while back, 'coz I wanted to see a big one ...

 

[spdpsba]

I'm sure they will be. I enjoyed this rare moment. On a side note they had an ora cat and it looked a nice bit of kit

Wow, I am looking forward to see that little car in flesh!

 

[Adopado]

Wow, I am looking forward to see that little car in flesh!

It's interesting ... but named Funky Cat for the UK unfortunately.

 

[spdpsba]

It's interesting ... but named Funky Cat for the UK unfortunately.

Yes agree! May be we will all get over that name thing with EVs!

 

[Zilla91]

Doubt it, would rather walk then drive a funky cat or a seal

Until they sort the names (and ui), I can’t see Chinese cars having much success here

 

[spdpsba]

Doubt it, would rather walk then drive a funky cat or a seal

Until they sort the names (and ui), I can’t see Chinese cars having much success here

Hmm that’s what Germans thought about American EVs - or shall we say Tesla!

 

[browellm]

Doubt it, would rather walk then drive a funky cat or a seal

Until they sort the names (and ui), I can’t see Chinese cars having much success here

If I owned a car company I would release a line-up named entirely after Nathan Barley characters

 

[candida]

If I owned a car company I would release a line-up named entirely after Nathan Barley characters

If I had a donkey I’d call him Don Quixote.

 

[Js1977]

If I had a donkey I’d call him Don Quixote.

De la Mancha? ... I used to watch the cartoons as a kid. My cars name has remained nameless since March....Until now. Thanks!

 

[Utumno]

If I had a donkey I’d call him Don Quixote.

“Doctor Doctor, my crustacean is poorly”
“That’ll be six quid please”

 

[Mr H]

I stopped at the Macon supercharger a while back, 'coz I wanted to see a big one ...

not married then....

 

[Mr H]

If I had a donkey I’d call him Don Quixote.

I'd just call him, Hotey