I just want to mention, I was Leaf shopping with a friend in Oxnard California. A pleasant experience was that we had a salesman who was truly knowledgeable and pro EV. So, his name is Drew Toczynski ay Team Nissan 805-501-8107
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I don't think that range is away more than 3 years for Nissan-Renault given their exec statements and supply agreements with LG Chem (Renault already has signed contracts with LG Chem).
But I estimate the base price to be higher ($30-35k, not 25k), at least before subsidies.
Here's what Nissan execs said earlier this year about the Leaf 2.0 and the Infiniti EV:
Nissan Provides Details On Next-Generation LEAF - Luxury Infiniti EV Back On Track For 2017 Debut
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Rebel44
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taken from Nissan forum:
Nice, but without something like Tesla Supercharger network, not good enough.
Nice, but without something like Tesla Supercharger network, not good enough.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
Fair enough but, a longer range affordable Nissan EV coupled with a decent CHAdeMO network in large urban areas is a good recipe for EV adoption.
My only concern is if it's going to be packaged as the LEAF 2.0. I hope there's a better design coming up, possibly with the Infiniti badge.
tomsax
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Not good enough for what? Good enough to compete with the Model S as a cross country road trip car? No. Good enough to sell a lot more Leafs? Definitely.
There are hints that Nissan is looking at transitioning to a DC charging method that's faster than the CHAdeMO that is on the current Leaf.
RobStark
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In the USA Nissan has sold over 300k Altimas this year and 130k Versas.
LEAF getting to 30k by new years is not a lot.
2013 Model S was top selling vehicle in its class in the USA.
2014 Model S second only to MB S-Class in its class in the USA.
Rebel44
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That depends on cost defference comapred to vehicles with access to SC network - if its 10+K cheaper it would be OK for many people, but if price is similar, it would be really stupid.
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Article said "depending on configuration, and how it’s tested", so I would expect EPA range around 200 miles. Less on highway and unless battery pack is heated much less during the winter.
When most chrgers are 1 plug its a congestion and reliability issue - so I cannot rely on them onless they are every few miles. Its 1 thing to hate to loan ICE once ot twice a year and entirely another renting ICE twice a month.
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Nisan is not exactly going to make this available next week. 200+ miles battery will need to be built on dedicated EV platform (Leaf 2) and I doubt, that we will be able to buy that before 2016.
We also have no idea how much will it cost us - it might be great price, or it might not be competitive.
I personaly hope, that other car makes will make cars competitive to Tesla, so that I can buy my next car at reasonable price.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
That would be about 170 miles, which is pretty good. If it doesn't actually look like the current LEAF I could be interested, but I don't have much hope of it being a more compelling vehicle than the Model 3.
JRP3
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Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
You mean the one that so far exists in Ghosn's mind only?
More seriously though with all the debacle Nissan have had it would be extremely surprising if they did not add some sort of temperature control system to their future packs. Also we may see them moving away from larger to smaller cells (this is only speculation on my part).
Historically this has only affected owners in hot climates. Those in more temperate regions have noticed much less capacity loss.
I myself am much more comfortable with an active temp management system.
However, I am not about to paint ALL Leafs and All 2nd gen Leafs with the downfall of a minority of the original cars.
dhrivnak
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To be fair Nissan batteries have on the whole held up well, very well unless one is in the SW. They are the only one to offer a guarantee on range loss and their published price for a battery replacement ($6200) is about 25% the cost of Tesla's battery for the Roadster on a KWh basis. And Nissan has more EV's on the road and 4x the fast DC charging stations than Tesla. Granted the Super chargers are faster and a Model S is much nicer than a Leaf but at 3x the cost it should be.
Even the folks in Washington state have significant capacity loss now. The capacity warranty requires such significant capacity loss that folks need to tolerate ranges in the 50s for months while doing everything to lose that last capacity bar before the miles add up. To each their own.. Nissan is dependent on folks that give them credit for a cheap ev despite its inherent issues.
Now wait, I thought they just came out with their new battery for the 2015 models that manage the heat better?.......so they have noticed their first version was not working and are improving things. All that makes me believe the new generation battery will be much more tolerable.
bluenation
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a theoretical 160 mile Leaf coming out late 2015 or early 2016 is highly valuable for a LOT of people. Trouble is....in just a few years, the m3 is gonna come out, and will cost less than a 10 000$ more.
and then there's the next gen volt, which i think will be a *very* interesting PHEV.
and then there's the next gen volt, which i think will be a *very* interesting PHEV.
Don't know where else to post this... Used Nissan LEAF batteries finding a second life as energy storage in Japan:
LEAF Batteries Enter After-Life Use As Energy Storage At Nissan Development Center In Japan
It has been long discussed about used EV batteries being used as energy storage, great to see it being done in practice.
LEAF Batteries Enter After-Life Use As Energy Storage At Nissan Development Center In Japan
It has been long discussed about used EV batteries being used as energy storage, great to see it being done in practice.
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