I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. The 0.22 number came from Elon in a video where he's standing in front of a prototype. The 0.24 number comes from an official post that has published charts related to production vehicles. I choose to believe the latter is our "best answer" to date.
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gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
It has 0.22 previously as well. It's a(n imperfect) data aggregator not a data provider. Except for the made up stuff.
It has 0.22 previously as well. It's [Wikipedia] a(n imperfect) data aggregator not a data provider. Except for the made up stuff.
I always think of Wikipedia as the reference of last resort. Authoritative sources are much better, even if they take a bit longer to find.
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
It has 0.22 previously as well. It's a(n imperfect) data aggregator not a data provider. Except for the made up stuff.
You have a point there. That change was made by yours truly citing Elon/JB's blog post
Yeah, listened to the piece again, and it's hard to tell if there's more coming or not. Hope so, and I hope it's more accurate than this confused little editorial mashup...
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
NPR KQED's Alison van Diggelen reported on the Model S event this week in California Report this morning:
Tesla Rolls Out Second Model This Week: The California Report | The California Report
Tesla Rolls Out Second Model This Week: The California Report | The California Report
gg_got_a_tesla
Model S: VIN 65513, Model 3: VIN 1913
http://www.freshdialogues.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Scene-Mag-Fresh-Dialogues-feature-Spring-2011.pdf
"...enchanting Scottish brogue..."
NigelM
Recovering Member
I know a woman from Scotland. She sounds just like that. Lovely accent. While we're off topic, I also love a Carolina accent, and I love the way people in and around Madrid speak Spanish. Texas is an ugly accent, as is the way people in Seville, Spain, speak Spanish.
Back on topic, that was an excellent report.
Edit: But a Glasgow accent is unintelligible!
SCW-Greg
Active Member
I agree with Daniel. That's the problem with the press... doesn't matter who the publication or media channel is - they always get at least one or two things wrong (if not more). It's very difficult to manage from a company PR standpoint, particularly print, and radio. Even TV in how they edit, which can take things out of context, and change the slant/focus.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Heard a short blurb on NPR this morning (about 10 seconds) announcing today's release of the Model S.
It was fine except at the very end they said "Tesla has lost almost a billion dollars selling their high-end electric Roadster sports car."
That was disappointing to hear. That's not right, I'm prettty sure. Sounds like they're including CAPEX and other things in there, and just calling it a loss. Usually I like NPR, but come on guys...it costs a little money to start a car company...
It was fine except at the very end they said "Tesla has lost almost a billion dollars selling their high-end electric Roadster sports car."
That was disappointing to hear. That's not right, I'm prettty sure. Sounds like they're including CAPEX and other things in there, and just calling it a loss. Usually I like NPR, but come on guys...it costs a little money to start a car company...
Citizen-T
Active Member
Yeah, they've lost like $800 million to-date, but to characterize that as "selling the Roadster" is completely wrong. The Roadster only cost like 300 million to get on the road, and is very profitable. Elon has said, if they weren't developing the Model S, they would have been profitable a long time ago.
Margins on the Roadster were like 28% or something like that in the last quarter they sold them in the U.S.
NigelM
Recovering Member
EVNow
Well-Known Member
On almost all things that I know quite well - what I hear / read in mass media (not specialized outlets) is always wrong on some facts and in the slant. Now I almost expect that - given that the journalist would be working on a story for just a short time and won't have the context and knowledge that comes with months of engagement.
That also means - we should learn to take everything in the media with a grain of salt - esp. on subjects we don't know much about.
Yeah I listen to NPR every day (most weekend days to actually) and they are generally pretty good. But they do mess up.
I find that their coverage of sports is often bad and ill informed (the few times that they cover sports). Except when Frank Deford Rants! But those are just entertainment, and opinion.
I find that their coverage of sports is often bad and ill informed (the few times that they cover sports). Except when Frank Deford Rants! But those are just entertainment, and opinion.
Another review today: Tesla's Big Gamble: Can The Electric Car Go Mainstream? : All Tech Considered : NPR (almost 8 mins)
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