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[gearchruncher]

They did deliver some aspects of what they Define as full self driving

What of this have they delivered?

Full Self-Driving Capability​

Build upon Enhanced Autopilot and order Full Self-Driving Capability on your Tesla. This doubles the number of active cameras from four to eight, enabling full self-driving in almost all circumstances, at what we believe will be a probability of safety at least twice as good as the average human driver. The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat. For Superchargers that have automatic charge connection enabled, you will not even need to plug in your vehicle.

All you will need to do is get in and tell your car where to go. If you don’t say anything, the car will look at your calendar and take you there as the assumed destination or just home if nothing is on the calendar. Your Tesla will figure out the optimal route, navigate urban streets (even without lane markings), manage complex intersections with traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts, and handle densely packed freeways with cars moving at high speed. When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you.

 

[Cyberax]

Well see. They did deliver some aspects of what they Define as full self driving, so I guess it’s a question for a judge to determine.

They have not delivered ANYTHING out of Full Self-Driving, compared to the EAP (available during my purchase).

 

[gearchruncher]

The disagree crew is here to tell you that the car stops at stop lights, which is totally a useful part of Full Self Driving in line with the full L4 experience that was sold, so you're just a TSLAQ hater to say no FSD has been delivered to those of us with EAP. Take your stop light control for $5K and move on, Tesla never promised you anything by any date (contract law be damned), you should be happy for what you've got. Plus, you get to watch YouTube videos of other cars doing things, which is totally a bonus and is basically the same as your car doing it.

 

[dckiwi]

It's been almost 5 years since AP 2.0/FSD was 'released'. In that time they've released stopping at traffic lights, smart summon (gimmick) and NoA (marginally useful in some situations).

I'm not upset that they haven't gotten to L4/L5 yet. That was a risk we all took when we bought FSD. But Tesla has definitely let us down by putting all their time and attention into a beta branch that only a select few have, while not releasing ANY incremental updates to FSD for the rest of us.

Elon tweeted 'two weeks' today as a joking response to a question about Mars landings. I guess it's funny to him that he's promised FSD beta to paying customers since March, with nothing to show for it. They could easily roll out an update to the release branch to remove confirmations for traffic light control. Or maybe allow auto steer on unmarked streets. Those are clearly working well enough to release. But they keep chasing perfection with the beta branch while making empty promises to the rest of us.

 

[qdeathstar]

What of this have they delivered?

when you buy a car it lists summon, navigate in autopilot, ect as part of the full self driving package you are buying. You can debate if that’s enough, I’m not interested in debating that, but that’s what it says on the website.

 

[gearchruncher]

Just a bit of history:

smart summon (gimmick) and NoA (marginally useful in some situations).

These are all part of EAP for customers in 2016-2019.

guess it's funny to him that he's promised FSD beta to paying customers since March, with nothing to show for it.

He famously posted "3-6 months" in February 2017.
"Autosteer on city streets" has been "coming this year" since 2019 on the website (now "coming soon")
FSD Beta came out in October 2020, with a "slow rollout" message- that no reasonable human would interpret as 71 people out of 1 million 9 months later.

 

[gearchruncher]

when you buy a car it lists summon, navigate in autopilot, ect as part of the full self driving package you are buying. You can debate if that’s enough, I’m not interested in debating that, but that’s what it says on the website.

Many of us bought cars before 2019. Tesla does not get to change history by updating their web page. This is why I posted the description of FSD that was active from 2016-2019, and those are the owners that are deeper into their ownership without any functions that look anything like what was sold. As you say, there is nothing to debate. The facts are clear about what Tesla advertised for 3 years and what they have delivered 5 years later.

If all you are interested in is what Tesla has delivered vs what they advertise *today*, you have missed the issue that many of us have and the reason we say Tesla has delivered no value to customers that have owned cars for years.

Even with the 2019+ situation- "autosteer on city streets" was "coming this year" in 2019 and 2020. So they missed specific, published, defined, measurable dates for those customers also.

 

[dckiwi]

"Autosteer on city streets" has been "coming this year" since 2019 on the website (now "coming soon")

Not that it matters, but it's actually back to saying 'coming later this year'. Yay?

 

[qdeathstar]

It's been almost 5 years since AP 2.0/FSD was 'released'. In that time they've released stopping at traffic lights, smart summon (gimmick) and NoA (marginally useful in some situations).

I'm not upset that they haven't gotten to L4/L5 yet. That was a risk we all took when we bought FSD. But Tesla has definitely let us down by putting all their time and attention into a beta branch that only a select few have, while not releasing ANY incremental updates to FSD for the rest of us.

Elon tweeted 'two weeks' today as a joking response to a question about Mars landings. I guess it's funny to him that he's promised FSD beta to paying customers since March, with nothing to show for it. They could easily roll out an update to the release branch to remove confirmations for traffic light control. Or maybe allow auto steer on unmarked streets. Those are clearly working well enough to release. But they keep chasing perfection with the beta branch while making empty promises to the rest of us.

there is no way the beta button will be released before the car reacts appropriately to red lights and green lights, that is the next logical increment in fsd wide releases. Eg to stop at a red light, and when it turns green go.

 

[dckiwi]

there is no way the beta button will be released before the car reacts appropriately to red lights and green lights, that is the next logical increment in fsd wide releases. Eg to stop at a red light, and when it turns green go.

In my experience the car reacts appropriately to red and green lights now. They should add an option to remove confirmation, so that it's actually useful.

 

[qdeathstar]

Many of us bought cars before 2019.

Good for you. Most people did not though.

If all you are interested in is what Tesla has delivered vs what they advertise *today*, you have missed the issue that many of us have and the reason we say Tesla has delivered no value to customers that have owned cars for years.

For the past two years, when most of the model threes were delivered and all of the model y’s

 

[qdeathstar]

In my experience the car reacts appropriately to red and green lights now. They should add an option to remove confirmation, so that it's actually useful.

It stops for red and green lights.... and doesn’t go when the light turns green unless there is a follow car.

 

[dckiwi]

Good for you. Most people did not though.

Good for most people. He was simply correcting your generalization that FSD was only ever what is posted on the Web site now.

 

[dipper]

Paid 2k more for FSD 8 months ago and all I got was this lousy T-shirt that says 2 weeks.

Are you hoping to get next lousy T-shirt that says "In 6 months for sure!"?

 

[qdeathstar]

Good for most people. He was simply correcting your generalization that FSD was only ever what is posted on the Web site now.

Who cares. It’s a small point. And I didn’t make that generalization.

the small number of people who paid for fsd prior to 2019 only paid between 3-6K for it.

 

[qdeathstar]

Are you hoping to get next lousy T-shirt that says "In 6 months for sure!"?

where the **** are these T-shirt’s at. I want this one and the other one @BudB was rocking....

 

[pilotSteve]

where the **** are these T-shirt’s at. I want this one and the other one @BudB was rocking....

…. on back order, of course! But they will ship in 30 days probably … six months for sure.

 

[mikes_fsd]

…. on back order, of course! But they will ship in 30 days probably … six months for sure.

damn, I was told 2 weeks.

 

[qdeathstar]

damn, I was told 2 weeks.

Just order the Class Action shirt while you wait....

 

[jeremymc7]

Class action would be nice.

I know I’ve gotten paid out on a few this last year alone.