Oh my god! Thoughts people?

[phillcom3]

How does this happen? Thoughts people. This is one neccesity for emegancy backup lidar I think just for that last second oh crap moment.

Tesla Model 3 'on Autopilot mode' crashes into truck in Taiwan | Daily Mail Online

 

[WarpedOne]

I have no idea how buses end up lying on their back accross the highway.
And I also have no idea how it is possible for driver to end up being able to walking away uninjured.

Amazing engineering.

 

[Watts_Up]

I have no idea how buses end up lying on their back accross the highway.
And I also have no idea how it is possible for driver to end up being able to walking away uninjured.

Amazing engineering.

It looks almost perfectly staged with cameras filming the incident in both directions!

 

[AnthonyLR]

The driver still has to pay attention

 

[Masklin]

Thoughts? Never mind the software or the hardware, the meatware must have been metaphorically asleep at the wheel.

 

[davidmc]

How does this happen? Thoughts people. This is one neccesity for emegancy backup lidar I think just for that last second oh crap moment.

Tesla Model 3 'on Autopilot mode' crashes into truck in Taiwan | Daily Mail Online

Any car would have done the same if the drive was not paying attention, and the consequences could be worse in other cars.

Glad the driver was ok

 

[interbear]

Looks like driver error not vehicle error to me.

Autopilot is all well and good but it’s not an excuse to take your eye off the road or feet away from the pedals.

I’d imagine similar incidents have occurred with other vehicles using standard cruise control.

Personally I’m a bit of a control freak when driving so use Autopilot rarely, only on motorways obviously, and when I do I actually have so little trust in it that I probably pay even more attention. I use the traffic aware cruise control more as I feel more in control. I didn’t buy my Model 3 for the Autopilot features, but for the battery tech and zero emission goodness.

 

[Durzel]

Every article I've seen about this says "reports say it was on Autopilot". Not sure which reports these are, since they all seem to refer to some other source.

 

[Gatsojon]

Good to know Tesla have the passive safety nailed.

 

[CountvonC]

Because the systems ignore stationary objects at high speed.

Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars and lane dividers

 

[bhav]

Firstly, next time please choose a more useful thread title, far too click-baity...!

Secondly, this incident just confirms a number of things:

• You need to pay attention!! This is 100% the driver's fault, not autopilot. As @CountvonC says, stationary objects and driver assistance systems just do not mix (however sophisticated Tesla's might seem). See this excellent article by Ars Technica: Why emergency braking systems sometimes hit parked cars and lane dividers
• Autopilot should not be used on city streets / streets with traffic lights and only on dual carriageways and motorways with driver paying full attention and ready to take over as I've said in other threads (and as Tesla's own manual says in the UK/EU). I know above is a highway, but the point is that city streets are more likely to have stationary objects / a sudden stop in traffic...which driver assistance systems just aren't designed for!

 

[MrBadger]

Yep. Expected behaviour. And its not just Autopilot.

Tesla's steering torque system is too easy to abuse. Pressure has been mounting for a long time by safety bodies. Could this investigation be the final nail in the coffin? A Safety Board Faults Tesla and Regulators in a Fatal 2018 Crash Worth highlighting that the NTSB have no teeth, but quite a big bark.

 

[bhav]

Yep. Expected behaviour. And its not just Autopilot.

Tesla's steering torque system is too easy to abuse. Pressure has been mounting for a long time by safety bodies. Could this investigation be the final nail in the coffin? A Safety Board Faults Tesla and Regulators in a Fatal 2018 Crash Worth highlighting that the NTSB have no teeth, but quite a big bark.

Yeah, interesting.

While I have a lot of respect for everything Elon has done, and pushed forward in the industry, I do feel strongly that Tesla (and any other manufacturer) should be banned from calling anything "autopilot" or "full self-driving". It is totally misleading and is at least partly why so many people go about using their Tesla driver assistance in an unsafe way.

 

[stonecoldrmw]

My thoughts? Amateurs shouldn't be behind the wheel! Do not rely on AP, you are in control at all times!

 

[MaDProFF]

OFC we do not know all the facts, but here is a fact, just because a car has AP there will be times no matter how good it is it, cannot avoid hitting something, if you or the car in AP mode, brakes hard enough to stop the car hitting an object flying into your path, time and distance is too short, you are going to hit it what ever.

The whole point of AP in emergency cases it just may react quicker than you as a driver and save your life.

 

[Roy W.]

This looks similar to the famous American case where the guy was killed when his car ploughed into a white HGV trailer that was crossing his path.

Like that case, at first sight the driver had plenty of time to react. It just reinforces that you need to pay attention when driving, AP or not.

At least this person walked away. Hopefully the logs will show he wasn’t driving safely.

 

[Plagued]

it's a poorly written article, that then goes on to spur a load of "this is exactly why self driving cars are bad" comments.
The facts are that autopilot and FSD are currently driver aids, and there's no way any one sitting in a tesla would assume otherwise after the torrent of warnings and informations stating just that. They may opt to ignore this, but you know full well that you need to pay attention.
Crashes like this show yet again, that human error is the biggest issue. People choose to not pay attention, to answer their phones, to drink/smoke and drive, to drive when they are too tired to visibility is too poor.
On the plus side, these people choosing to ignore the warnings and crash only help advance the technology as now Tesla can look at the crash data and help the fleet avoid this sort of incident.

 

[gangzoom]

On the plus side, these people choosing to ignore the warnings and crash only help advance the technology as now Tesla can look at the crash data and help the fleet avoid this sort of incident.

You would think that, but the inability of AP to tell the difference between a stopped truck in front of you and empty tarmac when doing 70mph has been a consistent feature since day 1 of AP been in existence.

Yes the driver should have seen it, but clearly the AP/FSD code is no where near ready for driver less cars.

 

[AlexMasters]

As someone pointed out on the other thread, looking closely at the front of the car, it looks like there is some front-end damage and there was speculation that radar was broken / rendered inoperative by collision damage. If so, I'd be suprised that FSD would engage if some of the necessary sensors aren't working. Having said that, a rapidly closing radar return would trigger emergency braking... if you're reliant on the front camera, maybe not so much.

Does any one know which sensors (Cameras, Ultrasound, Radar) need to be working to engage FSD?. I wouldn't be suprised if this car has been modified, possibly to disable hands-on steering nags. Even if FSD computer vision didn't see the truck, Radar should be a cross check, if it's working, albeit that the truck body might be made from composites (Stealth Truck).

 

[MrBadger]

On emergency braking systems, the effect from radar is effectively limited at higher speeds to (not totally) reduce false braking occurrences at high speeds when slamming on has higher risk even when less reasons to do so.