ACarneiro
Active Member
You’re in the US. Your Autopilot is completely different to the crap we have here in the UK…
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Autopilot is getting worse, not better.
This is a big issue. And Tesla have no answer. Condensation happens. It comes and goes during normal diving. It messes up AP and causes unpredictable behaviour. Other than the ambiguous non-specic messages that something is wrong, you have no idea if there is condensation so you can't know what action to take!
I'm still on last radar enabled version of software. Tesla trying to force me to upgrade to provide wty services. At least with old software I know roughly what to expect!
Tesla Service centre told me that an upcoming software update could re-enable radar. Of course my Grandma knows more about it than they do, but you never know. Clearly basing vision only or even highly vision dependent operation on such lame vision is crazy.
I was under the impression that the forward facing cameras at least were hermetically sealed but I now have had some condensation in there too. At least there is a heater for forward cams so a lot less common.
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Leytonstone
You're mistaken
This isn't software versions. Next time you get a warning from your camera that it's "covered or blinded" save the footage and play it back. Or watch any of the RSEV videos where they expose Tesla's camera-based park distance setup for the embarrassing garbage that it is.
If you can't measure distances to stationery objects at slow speed, good luck doing that on the Sun in the Sands interchange during rush hour.
Don’t bother raising a service request to let Tesla know of these braking problems. They are just saying that Autopilot is always developing and changing and will have future updates. They have said we need to contact Tesla and not the service team.
The main service people on the app don’t though they cancel your request for an appointment and close the job.
I think that applies to most camera related issues. I had to fight like crazy to get a service request to stick. They just got cancelled, often without further contact from Tesla.
Both Nottingham and Sheffield centres say they want full details and to pursue the matter higher up, but I really have seen no evidence that a thing gets progressed. If anything they just need to hone their excuses so they get better at defending their position and luck of progress.
mtndrew1
Active Member
Not to worry, it’s crap here too.
Here’s my car misidentifying target vehicles and either hitting the brakes or refusing to pass.
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Aha! So drivers outside the UK are experiencing these bugs and just not reporting them on TMC. I'll stay on 2023.26.
Tesla could make faster progress if they tested code in many miles of simulations like Waymo does. (Easier said than done.)
squarepeg77
Member
I think they do use simulation for autopilot training, and presumably testing. It was mentioned in one of the AI days or something - there’s videos about it.
I doubt Tesla are missing some procedural step. I think time has shown that Autopilot is just very difficult for them to achieve reliably.
Back in the early days (old man impression!) when Autopilot only monitored your lane (2018, 2019?) it was pretty solid IIRC. It was the change to monitoring vehicles in other lanes that seemed to coincide with more phantom braking.
While I *hate* phantom braking, I guess the autopilot control algorithm “thinks” braking is preferable to colliding with a vehicle it thinks is cutting into your lane. Notwithstanding the poor soul in the vehicle behind…
I’ve been worried for a while that the persistence of phantom braking for so long - especially if it still occurs in the USA with FSD beta - then it’s a problem Tesla don’t (yet) know how to solve. I hope I’m wrong.
I doubt Tesla are missing some procedural step. I think time has shown that Autopilot is just very difficult for them to achieve reliably.
Back in the early days (old man impression!) when Autopilot only monitored your lane (2018, 2019?) it was pretty solid IIRC. It was the change to monitoring vehicles in other lanes that seemed to coincide with more phantom braking.
While I *hate* phantom braking, I guess the autopilot control algorithm “thinks” braking is preferable to colliding with a vehicle it thinks is cutting into your lane. Notwithstanding the poor soul in the vehicle behind…
I’ve been worried for a while that the persistence of phantom braking for so long - especially if it still occurs in the USA with FSD beta - then it’s a problem Tesla don’t (yet) know how to solve. I hope I’m wrong.
The whole thing took a turn for the worse when the big man said “make it CHEAPER by making it vision only”. It’s that simple.
At this time of year its a daily occurrence in the UK
Let me know how they get on. They told me it was beta and nothing could be done along with the wipers. To be fair they also told me "all cars fall apart when driven" so I take what they say with a pinch of salt!
Engineer told me last week when he came to check my cameras that he never uses autopilot anymore because it’s so poor and the utter shite way my car was behaving while using autopilot was “normal” at the moment.
garycat
Member
I raised a SR and they have asked me to send the dashcam videos, which I have. The braking obviously doesn't show clearly in a video, but there is a slight dip of the nose as it brakes.
Zilla91
Active Member
The last time I raised a service request about phantom braking (December last year) they requested the dashcam footage when chatting on the app but having gone to the trouble of collecting all of that and getting it on a USB stick for them, they were not interested at all when I went to drop off the car at the service centre and the guy there was puzzled at why I was asked for it in the first place.
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