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[Buddy]

I do wonder how they are going to sell electricity by the kWh in the ~35 states that do not allow that by law.

Perhaps selling "supercharger credits" when can be traded for kWh will be a work around.

 

[Az_Rael]

And this is what the page would look like if they had not hidden that code:

http://harnebbenesaapnet.com/supercharger.html

Screenshot posted here for reference (my work PC blocked the other website)

 

[ohmman]

Client side is not the way to go IMO. SpC should have a blacklisted VIN databases updated regularly. Much better and more secure.

Agreed, if that's a reasonable solution given the infrastructure. I still maintain that my proposed implementation would be a huge improvement over the way it's done now.

 

[Garlan Garner]

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Very very interesting - Thanks.

Its certainly not what I would have wanted, but interesting. Now I don't have to budget for SC'ing being included in the price of the car. That'll make the car a little cheaper I suppose. I'm ordering "All Options".

 

[brkaus]

I understood there were restrictions on selling electricity in some jurisdictions if you were not the power company. Hence many services charge by the minute instead.

True or rumor?

 

[Az_Rael]

I understood there were restrictions on selling electricity in some jurisdictions if you were not the power company. Hence many services charge by the minute instead.

True or rumor?

True according to Blink: Blink - Membership FAQs

Charging fees are set by kilowatt-hour ("kWh" - a unit of energy typically used by electric utilities) or session, depending on what is permitted by the state, and membership status. We are a proponent of kWh pricing because it is usage-based and EV drivers pay fees based on the actual amount of power consumed during the charging session rather than the amount of time that the car is plugged into the station. Certain states permit kWh pricing and others do not.

 

[Bokonon]

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Wow, what a find... the fact that it's commented out (i.e. useless) cracks me up! Haven't they figured out that there are a few hundred thousand nerds constantly monitoring their web assets for changes like this?

 

[MiamiNole]

Wow, what a find... the fact that it's commented out (i.e. useless) cracks me up! Haven't they figured out that there are a few hundred thousand nerds constantly monitoring their web assets for changes like this?

Yeah, I haven't coded since college and even I know that's a pretty big basic screwup lol.

 

[ohmman]

I understood there were restrictions on selling electricity in some jurisdictions if you were not the power company. Hence many services charge by the minute instead.

I've thought about this as well. I wonder if Tesla would have the ability to make the case that they're selling a service and not the energy. The energy commodity is free, but the proprietary delivery mechanism (Supercharger) is the source of the charge. Certainly sounds like a difficult sell.

 

[Trips]

Yeah, I haven't coded since college and even I know that's a pretty big basic screwup lol.

I think everyone knew there was going to be some option similar to this. The "ReservationId" was much bigger as it was telling how many orders they had and hinted at what spot in line you might be.

 

[Az_Rael]

I've thought about this as well. I wonder if Tesla would have the ability to make the case that they're selling a service and not the energy. The energy commodity is free, but the proprietary delivery mechanism (Supercharger) is the source of the charge. Certainly sounds like a difficult sell.

I just had a thought: Solar City. If they do merge, Solar City is already a power provider in most (all?) states due to their PPA business model. If Tesla superchargers fall under the new merged "Tesla Energy" brand or whatnot, they may be way ahead on setting up per kWh payments.

 

[jeffro01]

So long as existing owners are grandfathered, I have no problem with this. If anything it'll discourage locals from using up spots just because it's free...

Jeff

 

[Model 3]

Discovery by another forum member (bolding mine):

So, my second guess was wrong and my first guess was right

*beating my self up for not checking the source code right away*

 

[bluesolarflare]

Just posted this over on reddit, but adding to the same thread. Basically if you go into adding credit card information, there is another hidden div with hints at more supercharging

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[Az_Rael]

Just posted this over on reddit, but adding to the same thread. Basically if you go into adding credit card information, there is another hidden div with hints at more supercharging

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OMG, "idle fees"!!! THAT would be awesome. Move your chariot when you are done charging or pay up!

Edit: posting image in thread for those at work:

 

[bluesolarflare]

Also more hidden stuff... VIN Number????

I don't own a tesla...this might simply be a placeholder
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[Az_Rael]

Also more hidden stuff... VIN Number????

I don't own a tesla...this might simply be a placeholder
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OK - mine ends in 00844. I don't own a Tesla either.

 

[bluesolarflare]

Ok then it's a placeholder since mine ends in the same number as well.

 

[Zarwin]

If you look at the previous image posted, the VIN isn't blacked out. I have the same VIN in my account, so yes, it is most likely a dummy placeholder. The full dummy VIN is 5YJSA1DP8CFS00844

 

[ChadS]

I understood there were restrictions on selling electricity in some jurisdictions if you were not the power company. Hence many services charge by the minute instead.

As others have noted, this is correct.

But I don't think it's a problem. The scarce resource is not the electricity (which is a low-priced commodity), but rather access to the Supercharger. I think charging by connection time makes more sense anyway. This works for L2 and CHAdeMO EVSPs in every jurisdiction that I have heard of (though there are an awful lot of them, so there may be an issue somewhere).

This also fits better with Tesla's current model that you pay up front for Supercharger access, and the electricity is free - by charging you for time connected, you are paying for access rather than electricity. It is better at keeping people from charging from 90 to 100% when they don't need it.

Although reduced charging rates (from pairing, temperatures, starting SOC, battery size, local grid conditions, etc) do complicate it, so per kWh may be more reassuring to some customers even though what you really want to do is reduce the amount of time they are at the Supercharger. But the two are usually reasonably closely related.