PessimiStick
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I was pretty sure from the start that the brakes were different. Tesla never said otherwise.
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Performance Upgrade Price Change!
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Maximilien
Member
Holy cow. 100 pages 2001 replies and still no official statement from Tesla?
Are the “red” performance brakes different on S and X? I don’t think they are. Why would you assume “red” would be any different on the 3, especially if you were ordering before anyone had one yet, or there was one in any showroom. Many of us asked Tesla reps too. Yeah in hindsight it’s totally obvious they are different.
Model 3 "Performance Brake Calipers" just red or different altogether?
Tesla did a horrible job at spelling out the differences. Not everyone has been following closely but some of us knew 3P+ had a big brake kit the moment the first 3P+ photo was released in June.
PessimiStick
Member
Mainly because of things that were said about trackability and competing with M3s. The stock brakes are pretty awful for a 4000 lb. car if you're tracking it. There were also difference in the images composited by the configurator. I was 95% sure they weren't the same parts *very* soon after the P was announced (I ordered May 23rd).
Lucky13
Member
I was on that thread as well. I contacted Tesla three times and got all different answers. You could tell there was a lack of confidence in the answers the people we giving me. Hence why I decided to go the route I went. Stupid me
Jedi2155
Model 3 has Arrived.
For anyone interested in calculating a break even point between home charging and free supercharging, programmed a quick excel goal seek for your reference.
For me, I assume 10% supercharging if I had no FUSC (for road trips and hi-speed charging) which equate to 14,000 miles of road trips (and that's being generous). My breakeven point is somewhere around 5-6 years, and total break-even miles at 140k miles.
I would attach the excel file but forums don't allow macro enabled files.
For me, I assume 10% supercharging if I had no FUSC (for road trips and hi-speed charging) which equate to 14,000 miles of road trips (and that's being generous). My breakeven point is somewhere around 5-6 years, and total break-even miles at 140k miles.
I would attach the excel file but forums don't allow macro enabled files.
Powered By Jay
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Elon’s tweet with the pic was on June 16th
Elon Musk reveals first Tesla Model 3 Performance in new assembly line at Fremont
It's looking more and more like Tesla has decided to handle the Elon tweet matter by limiting the "damage" and choosing to interpret his tweet as only applying to 3P+ owners.
Ignoring IS the official statement. This is typical for most corporations, but disappointing from Tesla.
Performance 3 customers are probably a small subset of customers. P3D- customers, smaller still. P3D- customers who got incentivised with free FUSC to order fast (like me), probably a very tiny group. The smaller the group the more you can screw them - and then simply ignore them when they speak up. --- I'm still hoping I'm wrong!
PS: They are probably loving it that they have caused a split (causing haves and have-nots) within the small Performance 3 group. This too is typical corporate strategy: Divide, and sit back, and laugh and ignore... I really really hope I'm wrong. Prove me wrong Tesla!
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Lucky13
Member
Kind-of just raises more questions: a ) Does Utah-Parker speak for all of Tesla (and/or Elon)? b) So if this "upgrade will strictly be a software upgrade" when do we get it? Bring it on! Get a professional driver and some software engineers together again!
This does seem to close the option of "full upgrade to PUP" (- if Utah-Parker really speaks for all of Tesla...).
(I always believed this was the least likely option for "equalizing/equivalent-izing" P3D- owners anyway.)
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1) all corps, particularly Tesla, have way too much to do to just stay afloat in this silly world of financial analysts running things... to have time to play vicious games.
2) IF that’s the way it happens, that P+ get fusc or $, and P get just fusc, then it does differentiate both from post price drop buyers who get neither... and many of which will get smaller tax credit.
Not that I like that answer...
I do not understand any logic that anybody has any entitlement to fusc AND $. Reality is Tesla is giving all pre price drop P buyers Fusc and some an option to trade it for $. You are no more entitled to it with referral or early order date.
I hope you are right, but I think financial analysts are exactly there to play tricky games.
Anyway, if they really are too busy to treat customers fairly then it's not "viscous" - just bone-headed.
Consistent pricing ain't that hard. Engineering and building great cats is VERY hard. They manage to do the later very well.
There are in fact 2 groups of FUSC'ers. Those that had it before the mess - and those that got it "gifted" after the mess began. - Lots of gifts going around - particularly for some!
BLAST FROM THE PAST - Pg. 1 of this thread. Guess we now know the answer to that question!
Some are now fat and happy - and disagreeing with the pissed-off remnant. Weird human nature I guess...
AND a congrats to spesler for starting this thread - and heading page 100! Thanks man.
Yes, once they "equalize/equivalent-ize" all the P3 owners.
It's really not that hard. Why is Tesla struggling with such easy stuff?
Tesla: There is only one P3 on the menu now going forward - just finish fixing your error. You already admitted it was an error.
The red-headed stepchildren - who provided Tesla the most revenue!
Perry
Active Member
You must be new to this thread since this has been answered before.
Short answer, because Tesla offered crap hardware in the + package and because most people who bought the - are disposing of the stock wheels, tires, brakes, and suspension the first chance they get in favor of aftermarket parts that are actually designed for the track. No need to by something for 5K that will end up in the garbage.
Lucky13
Member
More than just that as well. I would have bought the package if I knew the brakes to be upgraded hardware. I was told once by Tesla that they were and two times not. Communication was a mess. Also somepeople just want acceleration and didn't want to take a range hit.
If I even knew that the track mode was coming out and or that the brakes were more than just painted red. I would have jumped on the PUP
