Petition to demand "camera on top, media player on bottom" be retained in UI

[autarch]

Please cite your legal expertise in the field of automobile accident liability in the United States and the precedent(s) that indicate manufacturer responsibility for non-driving vehicle features.

https://www.mcguirewoods.com/news-resources/publications/us-automotive-products-liability.pdf

This one is actually very easy from a legal standpoint. Tesla included this feature in their car and during the sales process touted it as a safety feature. I can personally attest to that and other people have weighed in on the same. It was touted as a driving feature to make up for the poor visibility from the driver's seat.

Tesla removed the safety feature. Received thousands of complains and has refused to take action.

 

[MP3Mike]

Received thousands of complains and has refused to take action.

Facts not in evidence. Less than 500 people have signed the petition, how do you know thousands have complained? How do you know that they haven't taken action internally to add the feature back?

 

[SpudLime]

I think we need to do a case study on how long it takes for the human eyeball to look right and down a few inches.. Maybe 1/10 of a second? Folks can scream safety issue, majority of folks, etc as fact when really, it isnt true no matter how many times you repeat it.

 

[Mediocrates]

https://www.mcguirewoods.com/news-resources/publications/us-automotive-products-liability.pdf

This one is actually very easy from a legal standpoint. Tesla included this feature in their car and during the sales process touted it as a safety feature. I can personally attest to that and other people have weighed in on the same. It was touted as a driving feature to make up for the poor visibility from the driver's seat.

Tesla removed the safety feature. Received thousands of complains and has refused to take action.

If you are speaking about the presence/absence of the rear-view camera, I wasn't.

 

[aaron0k]

Is there any way to revert back to a previous version of the software that does not disable the ability to have the rear view display at the top?

You should call the SC and ask to make an appointment. Maybe if we all did... they'd get the message.

 

[autarch]

If you are speaking about the presence/absence of the rear-view camera, I wasn't.

I am speaking about ANY change that impacts safety. It can seem completely inconsequential, but IF they are made aware of it AND they don't take steps to remedy it, they are in for a world of hurt if something happens.

 

[Mediocrates]

I am speaking about ANY change that impacts safety. It can seem completely inconsequential, but IF they are made aware of it AND they don't take steps to remedy it, they are in for a world of hurt if something happens.

This still is not in response to the content I was referencing, which was specifically non-driving functionality and ease of use therein.

 

[MP3Mike]

Received thousands of complains and has refused to take action.

Facts not in evidence. Less than 500 people have signed the petition, how do you know thousands have complained? How do you know that they haven't taken action internally to add the feature back?

@autarch And boom you were just proven wrong that no action was being taken:

Miguel de Icaza‏ @migueldeicaza 15m15 minutes ago

Replying to @elonmusk
My man, the new UI is driving us insane. Let us dock the camera instead of the map.

Elon Musk‏Verified account @elonmusk 6m6 minutes ago


Replying to @migueldeicaza
Will be in next point release

I wonder if the person who said they sold their Tesla because of the change will regret their decision...

 

[SpudLime]

 

[autarch]

@autarch And boom you were just proven wrong that no action was being taken:



I wonder if the person who said they sold their Tesla because of the change will regret their decision...

This issue is part of a much deeper problem. At least this fix will make the car drivable until it is sold.

 

[autarch]

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PS: The thousands of complains was a quote from Tesla tech support, who told me that the hours of hold time was being caused by "thousands of calls" complaining about the functionality changes.

 

[SpudLime]

PS: The thousands of complains was a quote from Tesla tech support, who told me that the hours of hold time was being caused by "thousands of calls" complaining about the functionality changes.

The reliability of that information is suspect based on other threads on TMC and Reddit for inconsistency on many issues.

It the squeaky wheel was heard apparently

 

[MP3Mike]

PS: The thousands of complains was a quote from Tesla tech support, who told me that the hours of hold time was being caused by "thousands of calls" complaining about the functionality changes.

And maybe their first action was essentially halting the rollout of V9 while they worked on the changes.

 

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Good news if true!

Anyone have a sudden hankering for a beer ?

 

[SpudLime]

Good news if true!

Anyone have a sudden hankering for a beer ?

I totally knew that was coming up. I will be in SanFran in March. I will sure buy you one.

 

[autarch]

And maybe their first action was essentially halting the rollout of V9 while they worked on the changes.

It went on for 14 days DESPITE thousands of complaints. Rollout should have been stopped by Oct 7th, but they kept forcing it and we don't know whether the fix Elon eludes to fixes the other problems.

 

[Evoforce]

It went on for 14 days DESPITE thousands of complaints. Rollout should have been stopped by Oct 7th, but they kept forcing it and we don't know whether the fix Elon eludes to fixes the other problems.

So, with a little more patients, we will all find out together! Do you think that remedying the camera display area will help you to keep your car after all? I know for myself, nothing could drive me to a glorified Toyota with that awful Darth Vader grill... ugly, just ugly...

 

[supratachophobia]

I think we need to do a case study on how long it takes for the human eyeball to look right and down a few inches.. Maybe 1/10 of a second? Folks can scream safety issue, majority of folks, etc as fact when really, it isnt true no matter how many times you repeat it.

I timed it today, about 600ms to locate and focus, vs 200ms when it's on the top. So, a half second, which could mean a successfull collision avoidance or not.

 

[RayW]

TMC should shut down for a day so we can all breath a collective sigh of relief, enjoy an ice cold Castle, and remember why we love Teslas.


... and hope they never try this again.

 

[obe1]

Here is how to have both rearview and partial music up same time. V9 rear view AND music at same time. Is possible, kind of.