I thought proteins were broken down to their constituent amino acids, and not to the the atomic level? Plant proteins are not as useful (to humans) as animal proteins because amino acid ratios in plants are further away than more closely related animals.
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
- Status
I thought proteins were broken down to their constituent amino acids, and not to the the atomic level? Plant proteins are not as useful (to humans) as animal proteins because amino acid ratios in plants are further away than more closely related animals.
ahkahn
Active Member
Before I get into any replies... When I was in the Tesla store last week the ownership advisor told me that the Ultra white seats are NOT vegan. The glues they use in the vehicle do not meet vegan standards. Because of that, I just double-checked their website, and Tesla is not marketing any of the interiors as vegan from what I can tell. Am I missing anything?
Depends on the cleaner or conditioner... NEVER use Armor All on ANYTHING.... From there, it just depends on what you're putting on your material. Most manufacturers recommend SOAP and WATER. You'd be shocked how well that works on synthetic leather... better than any cleaner on the market.
You're welcome!
I don't even know whether or not the new seats ARE actually Ultreleather. I only know for sure that the Ultra White seats are, since that's what I have in my car. I was at the Tesla store last week and looked at their existing offering, and those were all standard vinyl with a leather insert match. No idea what the new stuff is.
A Nauga is a little creature that willingly sheds his hide. They're happy to do this as their hide grows back. Actually, Naugahyde is still around, and is the ONLY domestically produced vinyl left in this country. Made in Stoughton, WI. My company is the second oldest distributor of Naugahyde... dates back to the 1940's or so.
Alcantara (domestically marketed as Ultrasuede) is a premium product. One would have to be nuts to use REAL suede on anything since it stains just by looking at it (or by dropping water on it).
That is a great price. You did well.
This is a loaded topic. The PVC manufacturers suggest that the PU manufacturing process has a LOT of dirty byproducts that are extremely harmful to the environment. The PVC manufacturers also say that their product is 100% recyclable, and contain NO harmful byproducts. The PU manufacturers say that the PVC manufacturers have a lot of unsavory chemicals within the vinyl. And... if you think all of that is bad, the leather tanneries are a totally different topic. Think about that wonderful fresh leather smell... ever smell roadkill that smells like that? Hint: It's the chemicals.
Spot on. I buy and sell leather all day every day, and I would personally never use it on anything of mine. I'd use Ultraleather all day every day on my stuff. I've also used PVC (traditional vinyl) a number of times on my own stuff.
Depends on the cleaner or conditioner... NEVER use Armor All on ANYTHING.... From there, it just depends on what you're putting on your material. Most manufacturers recommend SOAP and WATER. You'd be shocked how well that works on synthetic leather... better than any cleaner on the market.
You're welcome!
I don't even know whether or not the new seats ARE actually Ultreleather. I only know for sure that the Ultra White seats are, since that's what I have in my car. I was at the Tesla store last week and looked at their existing offering, and those were all standard vinyl with a leather insert match. No idea what the new stuff is.
A Nauga is a little creature that willingly sheds his hide. They're happy to do this as their hide grows back. Actually, Naugahyde is still around, and is the ONLY domestically produced vinyl left in this country. Made in Stoughton, WI. My company is the second oldest distributor of Naugahyde... dates back to the 1940's or so.
Alcantara (domestically marketed as Ultrasuede) is a premium product. One would have to be nuts to use REAL suede on anything since it stains just by looking at it (or by dropping water on it).
That is a great price. You did well.
This is a loaded topic. The PVC manufacturers suggest that the PU manufacturing process has a LOT of dirty byproducts that are extremely harmful to the environment. The PVC manufacturers also say that their product is 100% recyclable, and contain NO harmful byproducts. The PU manufacturers say that the PVC manufacturers have a lot of unsavory chemicals within the vinyl. And... if you think all of that is bad, the leather tanneries are a totally different topic. Think about that wonderful fresh leather smell... ever smell roadkill that smells like that? Hint: It's the chemicals.
Spot on. I buy and sell leather all day every day, and I would personally never use it on anything of mine. I'd use Ultraleather all day every day on my stuff. I've also used PVC (traditional vinyl) a number of times on my own stuff.
Last edited:
SomeJoe7777
Marginally-Known Member
@ahkahn,
Thank you for bring factual, informative information to this thread. I'll be looking at a new Model S when my lease is over next April, and I was a bit concerned with all the recent changes. Your posts have let me know that I'll be very happy with the new seating material.
Thank you for bring factual, informative information to this thread. I'll be looking at a new Model S when my lease is over next April, and I was a bit concerned with all the recent changes. Your posts have let me know that I'll be very happy with the new seating material.
The debate in this thread is blowing up! If only we could find a way to work in debate on Tesla and abortion and gun control.... someone find a way to work the Murdoch hire in!!!! Discuss!
ahkahn
Active Member
Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that Tesla is not marketing any of these new seating options as vegan. The only place I could find the term "vegan" was in the Electrek article.
jelloslug
Active Member
While Alcantara and Ultrasede are technically made by the same company, the are not the same product.Before I get into any replies... When I was in the Tesla store last week the ownership advisor told me that the Ultra white seats are NOT vegan. The glues they use in the vehicle do not meet vegan standards. Because of that, I just double-checked their website, and Tesla is not marketing any of the interiors as vegan from what I can tell. Am I missing anything?
Depends on the cleaner or conditioner... NEVER use Armor All on ANYTHING.... From there, it just depends on what you're putting on your material. Most manufacturers recommend SOAP and WATER. You'd be shocked how well that works on synthetic leather... better than any cleaner on the market.
You're welcome!
I don't even know whether or not the new seats ARE actually Ultreleather. I only know for sure that the Ultra White seats are, since that's what I have in my car. I was at the Tesla store last week and looked at their existing offering, and those were all standard vinyl with a leather insert match. No idea what the new stuff is.
A Nauga is a little creature that willingly sheds his hide. They're happy to do this as their hide grows back. Actually, Naugahyde is still around, and is the ONLY domestically produced vinyl left in this country. Made in Stoughton, WI. My company is the second oldest distributor of Naugahyde... dates back to the 1940's or so.
Alcantara (domestically marketed as Ultrasuede) is a premium product. One would have to be nuts to use REAL suede on anything since it stains just by looking at it (or by dropping water on it).
That is a great price. You did well.
This is a loaded topic. The PVC manufacturers suggest that the PU manufacturing process has a LOT of dirty byproducts that are extremely harmful to the environment. The PVC manufacturers also say that their product is 100% recyclable, and contain NO harmful byproducts. The PU manufacturers say that the PVC manufacturers have a lot of unsavory chemicals within the vinyl. And... if you think all of that is bad, the leather tanneries are a totally different topic. Think about that wonderful fresh leather smell... ever smell roadkill that smells like that? Hint: It's the chemicals.
Spot on. I buy and sell leather all day every day, and I would personally never use it on anything of mine. I'd use Ultraleather all day every day on my stuff. I've also used PVC (traditional vinyl) a number of times on my own stuff.
jelloslug
Active Member
When it was in my local store last weekend, the sales rep specifically said that the vegan option was still a special order, even with the new material
jelloslug
Active Member
ahkahn
Active Member
Yeah, I wasn't very clear. They're very similar products, but not exact. Same manufacturer (Toray) but two different manufacturing plants (Japan and Italy, I believe). I do not distribute Ultrasuede or Alcantara, but I am a distributor of Ultraleather (different manufacturer). I am very familiar with both... that said, I've never compared both side by side.
That very well may be a special order option... My guy said the stock option is not vegan, and their website seems to echo that.
jelloslug
Active Member
Ultrasuede is more velvet like and softer than Alcantara. I also know that Alcantara come in two different weights, one for panels and one for sewing. I don't know if Ultrasuede is manufacturere like that also.
beegee
Member
Totally agree. My wife just upgraded to a car with the Ultra White seats, and they are a much softer material.
NikeWings
Active Member
We took delivery about the same time with the grey leather in our S90s. Mine is holding up well, despite other complaints, and I love it. But, I also have the ultra white stuff (pleather, vegan leather, synthetic oil plasticky molded goop whatever) in the X. It is much softer and I am skeptical it will be as durable only because it is so soft. I hope I am proven wrong.
No one has snubbed it as not being leather, but everyone is curious. I tell them its space age material being tested for future missions and move on. They just keep patting it like a puppy. So far, so good but I don't see me wearing this stuff.
I'd imagine the other barrier for a vegan interior is that the steering wheel is still wrapped in leather. That would certainly make a vegan interior into a special order item.
It's exciting to see a company trying a new material. Just because leather was the best material available for a long time, it naturally became associated with luxury. If all these colors can hold up as well as the white seems to, I know I'd be convinced that it's a more luxurious material than leather. MB-Tex has been very good to me in the past, and better than MB leather, so I'd believe it.
It's exciting to see a company trying a new material. Just because leather was the best material available for a long time, it naturally became associated with luxury. If all these colors can hold up as well as the white seems to, I know I'd be convinced that it's a more luxurious material than leather. MB-Tex has been very good to me in the past, and better than MB leather, so I'd believe it.
Yes, you should be allowed to rape the planet if that's your preference--why leave a usable planet for future generations? Furthermore, if your worldview involves rape, torture, and unspeaking violence, who are we to step in and say something?
Seriously, I hate to burst your bubble, but your parents, and mine, lied. They lied to all of us. It's time to get informed about the facts of leather:
http://gizmodo.com/how-leather-is-slowly-killing-the-people-and-places-tha-1572678618
Facts and Sources
14 Things the Leather Industry Doesn't Want You to See
And, saving the best for last:
TEDxMünchen - Beyond Carnism and toward Rational, Authentic Food Choices | Melanie Joy at TEDxMünchen "At Second Glance"
+1. All the fervent opinions weren't helping me to decide between the current choices.
hmmm
Member
Speaking of alcantara, what is the headliner made of now? I read somewhere that alcantara is gone-gone?
I believe the missing alcantara piece is the one on the dash top. It's now the same material as the middle stripe. The headliner appears to be alcantara still, or at least that's what it looked like on the ones in the showroom last weekend.
Hugh Mannity
Mediocre Member
I'm pretty sure this will have no affect on sales, actually I may be wrong, it may in fact increase sales. Being good to the planet is a thing these days dontcha know.
Shock-On-T
⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
Sorry, you are quite right. At the DNA level, the proteins are formed using pre-built amino acids.
Some of those AAs can be self-synthesized from their constituent atoms in other cellular processes further upstream, but some can't and must be eaten.
Too long since my genetics degree!
- Status
Similar threads
