Cops put their life on the line at EVERY STOP and on EVERY DAY. Regardless of race, police must always consider the possibility that the person could be dangerous.
ALWAYS show the officer your HANDS!
It is not complicated.
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Police Palaver
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Cops put their life on the line at EVERY STOP and on EVERY DAY. Regardless of race, police must always consider the possibility that the person could be dangerous.
ALWAYS show the officer your HANDS!
It is not complicated.
From your sarcasm, its apparent that you haven't seen the footage. Anyone who read the "narrative" came up with your exact same conclusion. However, the actual body cam footage, complete with body language and sobbing, shows how pitifully he died.
Like I said, I felt genuinely sad for the kid after watching the footage. Six cops showed up guns drawn, including an AR-15, pointed at him. One cop barked inconsistent commands while threatening to end his life. Its clear he was getting a rise out of the power they held over that drunk, incoherent kid. Put yourself in that kids shoes and ask yourself, was his action of trying to pull up his shorts as the cop made him crawl on his hands and knees, ridiculous? And if he was such a threat, why did only one cop start shooting? The one with "You're F*cked" written on the side of his AR-15.
Can't tell if you're trolling or not.
Drunk kid, invites a couple of people over to his hotel room and shows off his vermin hunting air rifle. Someone see him from his window and alerts hotel desk who calls the cops.
Why would I put myself in his shoes?
Don't get drunk and handle guns and point it out the window.
Even Saddam Hussein probably looked pitiful at his death.
Probably the best advice anyone could have given him. Unfortunately, drunk people arent known to make the best decisions.
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Hard to understand tone over written word. Was not sarcasm. I saw the video as soon as it happened, I also heard it. I heard the cops words and they were far from inconsistent, they were conflicting with two of them trying to control the guy. One person talks and the others all shut up is the problem. But...The tone and obtuse use of words by the Officer (Langley) giving the commands was so far over the top I cant see past that. The dust cover on the rifle was macho bullshit that shouldnt have been on there at all. Totally unprofessional. Again...if he wouldnt have reached down for his waistband they would not have fired. Facts dont care about your emotions. Even more, if he had not been pointing a gun out of the window this also wouldnt have heppened. At no point in my life have I done or thought it was a good idea to point a gun out of a hotel room window. Hence me not laying prone in a hotel corridor with guns pointed at me.
Hard to understand tone over written word. Was not sarcasm. I saw the video as soon as it happened, I also heard it. I heard the cops words and they were far from inconsistent, they were conflicting with two of them trying to control the guy. One person talks and the others all shut up is the problem. But...The tone and obtuse use of words by the Officer (Langley) giving the commands was so far over the top I cant see past that. The dust cover on the rifle was macho bullshit that shouldnt have been on there at all. Totally unprofessional. Again...if he wouldnt have reached down for his waistband they would not have fired. Facts dont care about your emotions. Even more, if he had not been pointing a gun out of the window this also wouldnt have heppened. At no point in my life have I done or thought it was a good idea to point a gun out of a hotel room window. Hence me not laying prone in a hotel corridor with guns pointed at me.
Elijah McClain huh....Interesting you left out the part that on the bodycam they picked up the words of the cop screaming "Hes going for your gun." Did that not fit your narrative. He was alive when the paramedics got there and had to give him ketamine to try and sedate him because he was so out of control. Hard to say a choke hold killed him when he was fighting paramedics much later on. Going to make up a new term about "delayed death from choke hold" to fit your narrative ? What about the coroners report. The coroner said that two possible causes of death were a drug interaction (Ketamine) and asthma attack. You conveniently left those out.
Seems you left a lot out. Why ?.....And I modify my earlier statement. Dont run, dont fight them, dont try and take their gun....Better ?
CyberGus
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Heisenberg and Schrodinger are taking a leisurely drive when they get pulled over. "Do you know how fast you were going?" demands the cop. "No," says Heisenberg, "but I know where I was, which direction I was headed."
Annoyed by the attitude, the cop proceeds to search the car. "Oh my god!" he says, "do you know there 's a dead cat in your trunk?" To which Schrodinger replies "Well I do now!"
Annoyed by the attitude, the cop proceeds to search the car. "Oh my god!" he says, "do you know there 's a dead cat in your trunk?" To which Schrodinger replies "Well I do now!"
Then the cop wrote them a ticket for unlawful entanglement.
Tam
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Who actually killed Elijah is another issue.
The same could be said about whether a knee on the neck could kill a suspect or not. There are experts who can testify knee on the neck, chokehold, and carotid hold... are safe.
The fact that suspects died after those "safe" maneuvers are problematic.
The fact that when there was no crime and the professor was clear as a homeowner but still got arrested for a "new" crime is problematic.
But let us not miss the point: Whether the person is alive or not, police should not demand respect by using heavy tactics such as a carotid hold, knee on the neck, or even just a ticket.
Yes, Elijah "looks" suspicious but for what crime?
So when the police command the suspect to stop and the suspected resisted by not stopping: That's not obeying the police, that's not respecting what the police instructed, and that what leads to the legal "resisting arrest."
But that charge would never be produced at that time if the police did not issue the command "stop because you are being suspicious."
The right thing to do was: When there was no crime, just walk away, don't attempt to make an arrest.
If the police did not stop Elijah he would not get a police carotid hold maneuver there and then.
The professor was lucky that he was not dead by then but if he was not a Harvard professor, he could be dead by then for talking back to the police.
linux-works
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absolute bollocks.
in fact, there are so many more jobs that 'put your life at risk' (roofers being one of them).
putting your life 'at risk' is not a reason for automatic respect. and in fact, the tables have turned and since the cops are now armed like military, they are not one of us anymore, but an occupying force, to many of the population. of course they 'go home safe' each day - they are scared to actually DO policing. they shoot first and get away with it - because they all use that same get-out-of-trouble phrase:
"I feared for my life"
and that gives them a pass.
the tables have turned and its now the people who have to worry about every police encounter. there are reasons why people are in the streets protesting, and seeing a lot of ignorance here means there's still a lot of work left to be done, still. america is still not getting it - has fingers tightly in their ears, refusing to admit what is right there in front of them (on the news every day).
back to the list: here's a list of the most dangerous jobs in the US, by the labor stats:
The 10 most dangerous jobs in America
10. First-line supervisors of landscaping, lawn service, and groundskeeping workers
9. First-line supervisors of construction trades and extraction workers
8. Structural Iron and Steel workers
7. Farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural workers
6. Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
5. Refuse and recyclable materials collectors
4. Roofers
3. Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
2. Fishers and related fishing workers
1. Logging workers
do you even see cops on that list? I don't.
But its not "another issue" you brought it up, and dont like the facts now that they are correctly discussed.
If you are so against it, then you need to petition the Supreme Court of the USA to rule against Terry vs. Ohio and change the decision (Which was 8-1 BTW). The cops only need reasonable suspicion to stop and talk to him (and pat down for weapons). I would say walking around flailing your arms in the air wearing a skimask would be something reasonable to me. And most of us "unwoke" society would say something not normal is going on.
I do have a question for you. What should the cops have done in your eyes. They get a 911 call. They get dispatched to it. What would you have the responding Officers do ? Should they just decide its not good enough to look into and not go at all. Should they tell dispatch no. Should they take it upon themselves to go to the caller's house and tell them they are misuing 911 and they wont help them. I am actually curious in your world what the cops should have done when they get a 911 call that you dont like.
I'm not even responding to your ludicrous statement about the professor lucky he wasn't dead. You are just being sensationalistic now.
andddddddd of course this thread turned political, just like every single ****ing thing in Divided States of Amurica.
Didnt like my answers huh. Change the subject.
Actually I dont mind. The usual playbook calls for a subject change or name calling when your point is no longer valid. I appreciate you respecting my opinion and just changing the subject. I respect yours.
Actually I dont mind. The usual playbook calls for a subject change or name calling when your point is no longer valid. I appreciate you respecting my opinion and just changing the subject. I respect yours.
It’s a classic no-win situation for the cops. They get called to do their job and a tragedy happens and they are crucified. If they don’t act and a tragedy happens they are crucified the other way.
Agreed, and its the same guy who calls Internal Affairs and reports the speeding cop car with no lights on...Then a week later they have a break in, and call the cops, and the first thing they tell the cop is "Why the hell did it take you so long to get here!"
Cant win.
Cant win.
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