In the meantime, Waymo is doing level 4 in 50 squared miles near Phoenix, Arizona with no deaths in its entire history from Google to Waymo.
Just to be more specific, Waymo's L4 is only available to the public in a 100 sq mi area in Phoenix right now. But Waymo is "doing L4" in many more areas. The Waymo Driver is L4. So anytime, a Waymo vehicle is in autonomous mode, Waymo is "doing L4", whether there is a safety driver or not. So the CA disengagement report comes from Waymo "doing L4" in CA. Waymo has trucks "doing L4" in Texas. Waymo also has test vehicles "doing L4" in Seattle, Detroit, and Orlando. So Waymo is "doing L4" in many areas outside of Phoenix, AZ. The 100 sq mi area in Phoenix is just where the L4 is available to the public.
In 10/08/2020 article:
"Waymo operates in about a 100-square-mile area. The driverless or “rider only” service area that will be offered to Waymo One members is about 50 square miles, Krafcik said."
That sounds like 100 square mile is for an operation with safety driver onboard while 50 square mile is for driverless without any human safety driver on board.
But thanks for clarifying that whether there's a safety driver on board or not, it's still L4 and not just in Phoenix but also other locations too.
You're assuming Tesla ever had the lead.Tesla had the lead but it’s fading fast. It doesn’t seem like they’ve made any real progress the last 3-4 years....
I don't think L4 in a geo-fenced area is not that bad of a deal at all....at least in their geo-fenced area...
Leading to me means available to the end consumer
I've hardly heard any probes against L4 Waymo but for L2 Tesla:...But Tesla has the better long-term strategy for scaling and will likely get to a globally available L4/L5 first...
That's one perspective.
L0 (manual driving) is widely available to consumers, but I would not call that's leading.
If L2 is widely available to consumers still with crashes and deaths, I would not call that leading.
I think in medicine or science, leading is when it's verifiable for its most achievement in the set standards. If a vaccine with an efficacy of 10% and another 95%, then it doesn't matter whether which vaccines are available, better numbers mean better numbers after verified by others.
In Self-driving, it's SAE levels. Google was able to prove that its Prius machine without a driver could drive a 95% blind person in 2012, 2 years after its inception, that's leading:
In 2016, it again drove a legally blind passenger around the Texas Capitol for 10 minutes without a steering wheel or pedals. That's leading!
It's not available to all consumers but it's verifiable. It has earned an L4, that's leading.
Don't quote me and do quote Tesla telling California DMV about its FSD, and not just the beta, it's the "final release":
“As such, a final release of City Streets will continue to be an SAE Level 2, advanced driver-assistance feature.”
This has been thoroughly discussed. Elon has repeated ad nauseam that the initial fleet-wide release of FSD and will require human oversight. Only much later, pending regulatory approval, will the requirement for human oversight be lifted.