FreqFlyer
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Think Model Y, now shrink the proportionsMore Model 3 like, and a hatchback.
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Think Model Y, now shrink the proportionsMore Model 3 like, and a hatchback.
"and this seems to fit as the Model Z."So Tesla has been breaking down Honda Civics to learn how to make cars more efficiently and cost effective. One would think they'd have done something like this way before now. But I guess better late than never. (probably have to a lesser extent)
Elon's cryptic comments hinted at design cues from the CyberTruck. And they're calling this model a "compact crossover".
I was thinking the new model would be more hatchback-like. But sounds more like it being a Mazda CX-30/Honda HRV kind of footprint.
So if they stay with the current naming format, by size, we have the Model X, Model Y, and this seems to fit as the Model Z.
But the question we'll all be waiting to get an answer to will be, How many design cues from the CyberTruck? Are they going to shrink the CT, cut the bed, cover it for a small cargo area? Or will it be more of a smaller Y?
From a simplistic, cost effective, mass appeal, standpoint, I have to think it's gotta lean toward a refreshed Y-type exterior look.
Elon said the "revolution in manufacturing that will be represented by that car will blow people’s minds." And we knew they were doing some cutting edge manufacturing techniques in order to make this vehicle cheap enough to move the needle. But the aesthetic design is going to be just as important if Tesla wants to truly shock the car industry, and appeal to the masses. A beautiful vehicle, around $25k.
Guess we'll find out in about a year.
Especially when Elon expressed before saying late 2025 that it was his optimistic timeline where "we sleep on the factory floor". Realistically this is sometime in 2026, same with Optimus. That's not a bad thing, they need it to be good. They released the CT as an unfinished product.It's amazing that there are so many people who still believe Tesla's timelines.
2 door hatch?I am genuinely curious on what else can Tesla cut in their car to make it more affordable. The interior is already minimal. You don't even have a dash screen. The M3 RWD model already has low battery with 200+ Range and it costs $39K. You can't go any lower than that for range. What else can you cut to make it $25K? The roof glass has to go for sure. All the extra amenities like heated seats and driving assist too. Cheap cloth seats? narrow tires and cheap wheels?
Costs are in every aspect of manufacturing, not just the cost of parts.I am genuinely curious on what else can Tesla cut in their car to make it more affordable. The interior is already minimal. You don't even have a dash screen. The M3 RWD model already has low battery with 200+ Range and it costs $39K. You can't go any lower than that for range. What else can you cut to make it $25K? The roof glass has to go for sure. All the extra amenities like heated seats and driving assist too. Cheap cloth seats? narrow tires and cheap wheels?
That's what I was thinking too at first.2 door hatch?
What M3 can be had for $25k?The ~$10k the government is providing for a model 3 puts the current price tag as low as $25k. I bet that as far as problems go, and with the fact that everything is controlled via a screen, reducing the number of doors and using cheaper wheels might help, but that’s probably only about $2000 worth of savings. I don’t think it’s the fear of the high price tag of a Tesla that keeps some out, rather than many simply can’t afford a NEW car, and others fear the expensive failures out of warranty. The Bolt is/was out there for people who can get over the terrible looks of the bolt. My wife said “no way.”
My wife did quickly get over the “I want to sit up high” thing with this model 3, and now thanks me for buying it. Payment with near zero down is ~$650/mo and we have about $10,000 coming from the governments. So we will be cash-flow positive for at least the first year on this car. Does price matter? I don’t think that’s the issue with the model 3 (with incentives), at least not in 2023.
I am genuinely curious on what else can Tesla cut in their car to make it more affordable. The interior is already minimal. You don't even have a dash screen. The M3 RWD model already has low battery with 200+ Range and it costs $39K. You can't go any lower than that for range. What else can you cut to make it $25K? The roof glass has to go for sure. All the extra amenities like heated seats and driving assist too. Cheap cloth seats? narrow tires and cheap wheels?
Agree with all of this.It will have everything that makes Tesla a Tesla. Power seats, glass roof, TACC. The money save will come from many things:
Production output will be main cost saver as they aim for it to be their nr. 1 seller.
Battery will be 52kwh LFP, i believe this was confirmed earlier.
They will have either mega or giga casting. M3 is their cheapest model but does not have this, since it was designed before they made this tech and probably deemed it not worth shifting to on Highland.
A scaled 48V system to minimise copper wire usage.
Smaller car = less material overall.
I dont believe they will make a AWD variant, but only RWD for efficiency and 250+ miles/400km claimed range.
Probably a lot of other cost cuts that we dont see/expect.
Think of it like this. Tesla way of thinking is using as few parts as possible and the same part in as many cars/models as possible. That enables the suppliers to scale production and further decrease the cost of every part nr.
I predict many subsystems will be made in China. Battery and electronics of course. And maybe even the doors, with windows and all interior and electronics all pre-assembled.It will have everything that makes Tesla a Tesla. Power seats, glass roof, TACC. The money save will come from many things:
Production output will be main cost saver as they aim for it to be their nr. 1 seller.
Battery will be 52kwh LFP, i believe this was confirmed earlier.
They will have either mega or giga casting. M3 is their cheapest model but does not have this, since it was designed before they made this tech and probably deemed it not worth shifting to on Highland.
A scaled 48V system to minimise copper wire usage.
Smaller car = less material overall.
I dont believe they will make a AWD variant, but only RWD for efficiency and 250+ miles/400km claimed range.
Probably a lot of other cost cuts that we dont see/expect.
Think of it like this. Tesla way of thinking is using as few parts as possible and the same part in as many cars/models as possible. That enables the suppliers to scale production and further decrease the cost of every part nr.
More Model 3 like, and a hatchback.
Think Model Y, now shrink the proportions