Has anyone driven their Radarless MY home yet? I'm interested in any Autopilot drives and how it performed. I know you're excited, but let's hear it!!
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For comparison, I drove from NJ to Maine yesterday in on and off heavy rain and very low visibility. Used AP throughout the trip with zero AP disengagement. I took delivery in June 2020 and my car has radar.There was a report from someone who took delivery during the recent rain in the northeast, and AP/TACC had him take over 10 times in a 30 min drive due to poor visibility from the rain kicked up by cars in front of the Tesla.
hopefully in future sw they overcome this, but I’m worried there’s only so much that passive photon sensors can do for safety to see through a spray cloud, unlike radar.
This is impressive/ sad to me. It was raining hard at times yesterday. On 95 I slowed to 60 or 55 myself just to ensure I had visibility. I have a modelY reservation, but would rather a car that enhances the safety of what I can see, not equal to…For comparison, I drove from NJ to Maine yesterday in on and off heavy rain and very low visibility. Used AP throughout the trip with zero AP disengagement. I took delivery in June 2020 and my car has radar.
This is my concern that the system is nerfed for when you need it the most. I was also concerned that the NHTSA/IIHS testing wouldn't encompass any inclement weather. I would suggest writing Consumer Reports and bring this up as an issue with them. Whether you like them or not, they can be a useful resource to help get safety issues remediated more quickly.As I work with AI/ML models every day, including computer vision, this is only proving my point. I just don't see how AP works without radar (or LiDAR) in bad weather, period. Although I'm happy my June 2020 build has radar, I'm sure Tesla will abandon the code for it, if the future for them is radar-free. The shame is that they will most likely regain their NHTSA/IIHS status, as those tests occur in excellent conditions.
I am most interested in how it does in crappy weather and poor visibility.
For comparison, I drove from NJ to Maine yesterday in on and off heavy rain and very low visibility. Used AP throughout the trip with zero AP disengagement. I took delivery in June 2020 and my car has radar.
Another unfortunate datapoint from someone who has both radar and non radar MY
I haven’t checked consumer reports but I could’ve sworn I saw a post from this week that a national safety certification was removed from the m3 and mY after this radar development, and subsequently consumer reports removed their top pick and safety recommendation for those models.This is my concern that the system is nerfed for when you need it the most. I was also concerned that the NHTSA/IIHS testing wouldn't encompass any inclement weather. I would suggest writing Consumer Reports and bring this up as an issue with them. Whether you like them or not, they can be a useful resource to help get safety issues remediated more quickly.
It seems likely when there were M3 braking issues in 2018 that the visibility CR brought to this by removing it from their recommended list and being vocal got Elon's attention. I think the same here would be a useful tactic.
I'm with you on delaying at least until this is sorted. It has really been poorly handled and it is unfortunate.As I work with AI/ML models every day, including computer vision, this is only proving my point. I just don't see how AP works without radar (or LiDAR) in bad weather, period. Although I'm happy my June 2020 build has radar, I'm sure Tesla will abandon the code for it, if the future for them is radar-free. The shame is that they will most likely regain their NHTSA/IIHS status, as those tests occur in excellent conditions.
I figure that enough posts like above, and unfortunately accidents, will occur and this all could change Tesla's direction, but this is where I'm actually starting to consider changing brands. Do we really need a yoke steering wheel, no shifter/wiper/turn signal stalks, or no radar? No. I'm all-in for innovation, but I feel they are just trying to be different for the sake of being different now. The Mach-E is really an amazing V1 EV, and I'm sure Ford will sell a ton of F150 Lightnings. I was thinking that VW would be the next dominant EV maker outside of China, but now I'm not sure...
For now, I will be absolutely holding off on any future software updates until this is figured out. As news like this spreads, I don't think I'll be alone. Tesla can't force it's customer's to downgrade their driver assist technologies, and this almost certainly will result in a class lawsuit.
Agreed - mine is on hold until August, but I might try to extend it further. Between this radar removal & the Jan 2022 federal EV credit just over the horizon right now, and potential for 4860 cells next year sometime, I'm leaning toward no reason to rush taking delivery this year, unless something drastically changes in the next few months. It'll suck to lose my low price from March reservation but I'd rather a car that's not freaking out at mist and road signs. Hopefully they don't roll out a yoke or remove more control stalks in 2022.I'm with you on delaying at least until this is sorted. It has really been poorly handled and it is unfortunate.
I'm much more optimistic on it long term though. The current system can't use radar to find lane lines and yet it works amazingly well even with poor markings at night in significant rain. If it can manage that, nothing should be stopping them from solving the rest in rain.
There's a report on Reddit. It isn't good. My Y is on order and I am a bit apprehensive.I am most interested in how it does in crappy weather and poor visibility.