You will only see something in the public version you have if you are on Autosteer and it thinks you are going to run the red light. (There is no stop sign warnings in the public version.)
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Red light detection, stop sign detection, stopping!
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You will only see something in the public version you have if you are on Autosteer and it thinks you are going to run the red light. (There is no stop sign warnings in the public version.)
when I say maps, I mean the maps the car uses. The displayed maps are just flat tiles/vectors from google, the car does not use them, they are for you.
You have not seen grayed out signals because this feature is not enabled by default. Also since you are on a model3, which does not allow you to play with those things in an easy way.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
To clarify, you believe in the ADAS maps traffic light info is stored, and these ADAS maps are on the majority of major roads in US. And is the traffic light info just a boolean for the whole intersection, or is it per direction approaching the intersection? And so if the ADAS map does contain info that there is a traffic light.... then the HMI will show the traffic light as you approach, and once you get close enough it will show what color/status of the light. And if it's not detecting the light, but it is marked in the map, it will approach the intersection slowly until it sees a green? (All of this assuming you have stopping at lights enabled)
Then a while back you discovered v2 maps... which I assume what was a lot more precise information and a lot more layers? And contained per lane information? Was per lane information only for highways, or also urban roads? And these v2 maps were only for state of California? And recently you found v3 maps also only in CA? any idea what the v3 maps had that the v2 maps did not have? I recall previously you mentioned stop line information in the maps, are those in the v2 maps or in the ADAS maps. Also the visual landmarks/road side objects/furniture, are those in the Adas maps or the v2 maps?
I did not really look in details how this is encoded, but as you approach an area with a known traffic light or a stop sign, a gray image of it appears.
Yes. If the light/stop signal cannot be read for whatever reason (e.g. it is actually missing) - the car will stop at the intersection (And it is gradually slowing down as it approaches until signal state is confirmed).
On the other hand if the maps are not marked - the car will not stop no matter the signal/sign presence.
The v2 and v3 maps are a lot more detailed, but they mostly appear to be populated in California, I never got much data from these in TN.
The v2 map structure was visible in the code very clearly, it's more obscured in v3.
So then, from your experience, what is the lead time from some feature showing up in something you uncover and it being in a public release, beta or GA? Also, I'm not sure how to interpret what you replied to my previous with. In my 19.8.3 release notes it references stop light detection. You made reference to something needing to be turned on. I assumed you meant in the code you have running where options are selectible. I dbl checked, I have no options related to stop light. So, does that leave the lights I've tested against are not encoded? Thanks.
Ohh.. So the maps are not strictly contained within CA borders?That makes more sense.
So perhaps these maps are created from data consumer fleet vehicles? And once there is enough data from several cars they can turn it into the map and populate the v2/v3 maps?
It really depends.
But for NoA ULC Elon just tweeted it's going wide, from 18.39 (mid-September?) to now basically.
It's a config variable tesla turns on, it is reflected in in your car within 24 hours from that moment. But for this particular feature there's no user-facing stuff to see if it's on or not other than once it triggers.
Yes. It's a well known thing, Tesla's AP works best in CA.
I don't really have visibility into how they create this data. It's pretty clear they collect fleed data from regular cars for the v1 adas maps.
Anecdotally sure, but never any firm evidence as to why.
It's not like there aren't thousands of Tesla's near me driving over the same roads that NoA does terrible on. We're talking about the most major freeways in the state that it's getting wrong.
Hopefully we'll learn more about it on the 19th.
have you heard about "everyone scratches their own itch"? Well, there are lots of people at Tesla that live in CA and scratch their own itches there....
Sure, but I thought they satisfied their itch with Sentry Mode.
Plus they got the first 2019.8.5 update that popped up on TeslaFi.
I have a more basic question. Does HW2.5 learn in real-time? For any given route, does a car that's driven it a couple of times navigate it better than a car never having traversed it? I think yes but am unsure if that's confirmation bias.
My attempt there was to solicit an answer from da man himself (I still don't understand the desire for total anonymity on here and hopefully @verygreen is a he). But to answer you.
1) I tried going back to conversations I've had on the garage wiring for a potential Wall Charger. They are gone. I do not know what the purge policy is but my post history is very limited on here. Actually, so is verygreen's as I tried exactly what you suggested.
2) There have, even in the past day or two, been completely erroneous if not environment specific posts that were made as universally applicable.
I am sure over the history of @verygreen's comments on NN they have spanned HW1, HW2, HW2.5 and HW3. My question was very specific to HW2.5.
And certainly I don't mean to imply you are wrong, you may well be right. But, again, on the NEMA 14-50 on a 30a circuit you can see people, clearly intelligent, making definitive stmts that were immediately disputed by other intelligent people. So, don't take this as a slight, it is not.
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So NoA must only be using the ADAS tiles, for knowledge of all the lanes, and getting in the right lane, taking interchanges and all that, is it using Lane Data from Adas Tiles?
Is the ADAS tiles lane model only used for high level routing planning, or is it used to improve lane centering, like when camera detection fails momentarily does it use the lane data to stay on course? and on tight interchanges does it use the lane data from the ADAS tiles to help with steering around the curve accurately?
Then I am wondering are they only using GPS/IMU to localize themselves to the lane model in the ADAS tiles? Or do they also use lane detection and use that information to enhance their localized position with respect to the map laterally? And I assume they are not yet using those vertical line landmarks to enhance localization position?
When in CA, say where there is v2/v3 maps? do you know if NoA is using these maps to enhance lateral/longitudinal control of AP?
Thanks
So NoA must only be using the ADAS tiles, for knowledge of all the lanes, and getting in the right lane, taking interchanges and all that, is it using Lane Data from Adas Tiles?
Is the ADAS tiles lane model only used for high level routing planning, or is it used to improve lane centering, like when camera detection fails momentarily does it use the lane data to stay on course? and on tight interchanges does it use the lane data from the ADAS tiles to help with steering around the curve accurately?
Then I am wondering are they only using GPS/IMU to localize themselves to the lane model in the ADAS tiles? Or do they also use lane detection and use that information to enhance their localized position with respect to the map laterally? And I assume they are not yet using those vertical line landmarks to enhance localization position?
When in CA, say where there is v2/v3 maps? do you know if NoA is using these maps to enhance lateral/longitudinal control of AP?
Thanks
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Sure, but I thought they satisfied their itch with Sentry Mode.
Plus they got the first 2019.8.5 update that popped up on TeslaFi.
Does that also explain why Model 3's have been the first to get all recent updates? lol
No, there's nothing like that at all. Until a route is updated in the maps all cars drive it the same, after - all car drive it the same, just differently. The updates are far from realtime too.
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18-34 is ~ 2/3 of your audience? Now I do feel old.Judging by my video stats from youtube, you are fair to assume you are talking to all males on these forums
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