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Says for me you must sign in to view that video, so here's another one Footbag posted in another thread.
People are grossly underestimating the time and difficulty of retrofitting hardware into a Tesla. Sure, WK057 managed to do so for 9k in hardware plus dozens of hour of labor, but he's a pretty remarkable guy who clearly has a lot of expertise with this stuff. Tesla would have to charge significantly more to make it worth their while.
Volunteering?This forum needs some more active moderators to clear up the reposts.
You're asserting this as fact it seems. Do you have a source link for the information?Even if you accept that they need a gross margin of 100% to make it worth their while, it's less than 20k versus nearly 100k for a new car as said by Elon in his Tweet.
I received my Tesla S 90D two months ago and I was very happy with it until this week. I am very disappointed that Tesla didn't give me any warning that the new car they built for me was about to quickly become the "old" technology. I feel like I bought a new car and got last years model. I hate the thought that everything exciting about Autopilot that I'll be reading about in the next few years will be based on technology that I missed out on by 2 months. After reading these forums I realized that I should have researched Autopilot further before I ordered so that I could have found about this major technology change that was coming soon. That way I could have waited to place my order instead of being furious with Tesla. This was my first Tesla and it will be my last.
Someone mentioned that AP 1.0 was promised to be capable of stopping for signals and stop lights....sorry folks, that promise just went out the window. Just like the P85D was supposed to get faster with software updates, it never did. Instead, they came up with Ludicrous mode and said, "nevermind, you can pay an additional $10,000 to get the speed we promised". Same thing here. Other than safety and fine tuning improvements, I would bet that 8.0 is the last time we'll see any new capabilities added to AP 1.0. You've got what you've got. Live with it, or take your $40 to $50K bath on your current car and trade it in.
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Tesla also has expertise with their own cars and remarkable engineers, don't you think? On top of that, they have the full specs and don't need to reverse engineer stuff. If anything, they would be able to do it quicker and cheaper than a guy on their own, however resourceful that guy is. Even if you accept that they need a gross margin of 100% to make it worth their while, it's less than 20k versus nearly 100k for a new car ass said by Elon in his Tweet. Elon is giving a political answer but the reality is that Tesla offers not retrofits because new hardware capabilities are a major demand lever for them.
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I don't think you could reasonably come to an estimate of $20k for an AP 2.0 retrofit based on what wk057 did. His own article said that Tesla could never offer something like what he did because it would cost too much.
I don't think you could reasonably come to an estimate of $20k for an AP 2.0 retrofit based on what wk057 did. His own article said that Tesla could never offer something like what he did because it would cost too much.
So you think a "no OEM responsibility" garage retrofit of a single car is the same as a supported by the company, done at scale retrofit? Also, you think an AP1 retrofit is the same as an AP2 retrofit? That's a lot of leaps in logic.Here you go.
"Other than <the things you one might rationally expect them to improve with only software>"... Well, yah.Other than safety and fine tuning improvements, I would bet that 8.0 is the last time we'll see any new capabilities added to AP 1.0.
"Other than <the things you one might rationally expect them to improve with only software>"... Well, yah.
Was anyone on TMC expecting new features for AP1.0? Speaking for myself, safety and finetuning of existing features is all I expected going forward as of roughly a year ago.