Road Trip - BNE -> Perisher!

[Daemon]

A few of us have used Cooma showground. I sent an email asking if there was any problem with us using it or if there was any way they wanted us to pay. I got a reply saying they would get back to me, but that was about 6 months ago. So it's only on the slack group map and not plugshare because it's status isn't really clear.

 

[NovoCasGreeny]

Awesome - so that means they've got the required adaptors available for us?
I noticed they've got Tesla Model S Listed as supported, does that just mean they've got the cable to go from that crazy looking charger box they use?

Yes, at the wetlands centre they have the correct adapter that you require to use the charging station with a Tesla. Obviously you need to arrive and leave during business hours to borrow it from the office and always wise to call in advance in case for some reason the cable/charger is damaged.

 

[jmr-]

Cool, I've just got one more question - something I'm not clear on.

So I've got the 32A and 20A tails coming, assuming I get my hands on the euro converter in time, what is the approx max charge rate of this setup with the UMC? 11kw = about 55km/h? So that is the max with the UMC?

Whereas if I fork out for dual chargers, and the EVSE you can double that?

Last stupid question - the "dual" chargers are all internal correct? I am assuming there isn't a requirement to plug 2 x chargers in, and that it just splits internally as most of the diagrams seem to show?

 

[raynewman]

Cool, I've just got one more question - something I'm not clear on.

So I've got the 32A and 20A tails coming, assuming I get my hands on the euro converter in time, what is the approx max charge rate of this setup with the UMC? 11kw = about 55km/h? So that is the max with the UMC?

Whereas if I fork out for dual chargers, and the EVSE you can double that?

Last stupid question - the "dual" chargers are all internal correct? I am assuming there isn't a requirement to plug 2 x chargers in, and that it just splits internally as most of the diagrams seem to show?

11 kw and 55 km/h are the limits for a single charger and dual chargers (all internal) doubles that for things like the EVSE and Tesla 3 phase wall charger. UMC can be made to handle more but would probably experience RUD.

With the increasing number of superchargers and CHAdeMO, unless you are heading to the Alice or somewhere similar, dual chargers are overkill.

 

[jmr-]

Hmmm Tesla can get the Euro adaptor to me by tomorrow but I don't know if I'm going to get the 32A and 20A tails in time

Don't suppose someone in Brisbane can spare theirs for a few days?

 

[raynewman]

Hmmm Tesla can get the Euro adaptor to me by tomorrow but I don't know if I'm going to get the 32A and 20A tails in time

Don't suppose someone in Brisbane can spare theirs for a few days?

I can lend the 20 AMP one but need the 32 AMP one myself next Tuesday (unless I can have it back by then).

 

[jmr-]

Legend. I actually think I might be in luck, Tim said he might be able to get it out today

I am back Monday though, so I'll let you know if I get totally stuck - appreciate the offer!

 

[Bullet1]

Me too, and I've looked at the same route. Maybe Ballina Day Surgery as well (3 phase Tesla charger?)

Any estimates of charge rate for Ballina Day Surgery?

I picked up my 70D last Friday and am getting approx 62km per hr on my 3 Phase at home. (standard charger on refresh model with 16amp output from wall connector)

Am planning to use as top up at Ballina before Port then Wetlands in Newcastle before Sydney.

 

[garyjac]

Ballina Day Surgery is 22kW (as per Plugshare). Therefore, one would expect 55 km/hr on a single charger and 100 to 110 km/hr on dual chargers.

 

[raynewman]

Any estimates of charge rate for Ballina Day Surgery?

I picked up my 70D last Friday and am getting approx 62km per hr on my 3 Phase at home. (standard charger on refresh model with 16amp output from wall connector)

Am planning to use as top up at Ballina before Port then Wetlands in Newcastle before Sydney.


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I suggest you change from 'Range' to 'Typical'; it's more (well) typical

 

[Shock-On-T]

Chademo adapters are generally in stock in Sydney, but only useful for Brisbane, Perth and Canberra (also need RFID card Canberra and Perth) as the superchargers in Sydney and Melb are pretty well twice the speed.
32A 3-phase (showgrounds etc) is totally different and requires a 3rd party adapter e.g. Evnomics.

You might be able to skip the ChaDeMo in Canberra, just drive from Goulburn SC to your destination in the snow (~300km). If you're there for a few days your UMC should do the trick, or the Thredbo Alpine hotel has a destination charger if you're staying there.
If that feels too tight you could have a long lunch at one of the destination charger hotels in Canberra.

 

[Shock-On-T]

Hmmm Tesla can get the Euro adaptor to me by tomorrow but I don't know if I'm going to get the 32A and 20A tails in time

Don't suppose someone in Brisbane can spare theirs for a few days?

What do they charge for the adapter? I can't find anything on the Australia site.

 

[jmr-]

Concern: Supply euro 5 pin adapter
Pay Type: Customer Pay
MISC Items: NO LABOR PERFORMED
Part Quantity Unit Price
ASY,UA,A,415V3,016A,TMC002I016M3PNE6 (1024110-02-A) 1.00 157.27 157.27
Total Labor & Miscellaneous Items 0.00

$195 including express shipping

 

[raynewman]

Concern: Supply euro 5 pin adapter
Pay Type: Customer Pay
MISC Items: NO LABOR PERFORMED
Part Quantity Unit Price
ASY,UA,A,415V3,016A,TMC002I016M3PNE6 (1024110-02-A) 1.00 157.27 157.27
Total Labor & Miscellaneous Items 0.00

$195 including express shipping

That's robbery - $45 see Cordline Extension Socket 16a 5 Pin 400v Ip67 Cee Form ( IEC 309 ) QX550 - Uniquip Electrical Wholesale

 

[raynewman]

Concern: Supply euro 5 pin adapter
Pay Type: Customer Pay
MISC Items: NO LABOR PERFORMED
Part Quantity Unit Price
ASY,UA,A,415V3,016A,TMC002I016M3PNE6 (1024110-02-A) 1.00 157.27 157.27
Total Labor & Miscellaneous Items 0.00

$195 including express shipping

or from:
Power Cords and More
Unit 2/12 India St
Capalaba QLD 4157
Tel: (07) 3122 6100
$46.20 see 60309 - 32 amp three phase in line socket IP44

 

[Shock-On-T]

or from:
Power Cords and More
Unit 2/12 India St
Capalaba QLD 4157
Tel: (07) 3122 6100
$46.20 see 60309 - 32 amp three phase in line socket IP44

Is that + UMC all that's needed to charge from showgrounds etc? I've heard of Euro "tail"?

 

[jmr-]

I think that's the crazy clarks Euro tail, so that plus the 20/32 AMP plugs

 

[raynewman]

Is that + UMC all that's needed to charge from showgrounds etc? I've heard of Euro "tail"?

Need the Euro 'tail' from Tesla for about $130 then an adaptor you either make up yourself or buy from Evnomics consisting of a euro 3 phase socket, a bit of wire and an Oz 32 AMP 3 phase plug.

 

[Shock-On-T]

Got it, thanks.
So I suppose that Euro tail is just necessary because adapter companies don't make adapters for small market using aussie outlets?

 

[raynewman]

Got it, thanks.
So I suppose that Euro tail is just necessary because adapter companies don't make adapters for small market using aussie outlets?

For 'companies' read Tesla. or maybe the nanny state wanted them to jump thru too many hoops for what is a simple piece of wiring.