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From all I've read about it, the troops near Robotyne have been starving for supplies for some time. Moving another unit into the region just stresses a supply system that is already stretched to its limits.

It's a desperation move on the part of the Russians. They burned up their reserves fighting the Ukrainians in front of the trenches instead of letting the Ukrainians come to them. Now they don't have the forces to hold their positions.

I agree with the Ukrainian assessments that getting through the 2nd and 3rd line of defenses will be easier than the first. Though the first took most of the summer. They also are expanding their salient to give a safe space in the middle for artillery and HIMARS to operate safely. That will take a few weeks.



A little bondo and some paint and she'll be as good as new...



The VDV have 4 divisions and 4 independent brigades.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Russian_Airborne_Forces.png

The brigades may look the same size as the divisions, but the divisions are made up of regiments and the brigades are made up of battalions.

These units have been mostly gutted at least once in this war. The bulk of their forces now are troops raised since the war started. Unlike the large mobik formations, the Russians sent their airborne recruits to Belarus to get trained there. So these troops do have at least boot camp level training, which at this point in the war means they are the elite of their ground forces. In real world quality they are mostly green troops with just basic training with a handful of veterans who are trying to whip them into some semblance of the former VDV while in combat. I don't expect it's going very well.

The ChrisO thread is interesting. The Russians are now throwing away their artillery troops on pointless assaults with shovels. It also appears Moscow may not be aware this is going on. Throwing away specialist troops like that is a bad move. Even if they get more guns and/or ammunition, they aren't going to be able to use them because the trained gunners got killed.

It's not difficult to get people who can stuff shells into a gun, but the Russians are still dependent on a guy with a clipboard and a calculator to calculate the shot. Lose those guys and Russia's inaccurate artillery will become hopelessly inaccurate. Game over for the most effective arm of their ground forces.



The cold war USSR was much stronger than Russia is now. Not only was the population double in the USSR, they also had the countries of Eastern Europe in their sphere. Soviet weapons were made in many places outside of Russia, including Ukraine and Eastern Europe. All that production capacity was lost when the USSR fell apart.

They retained some of it by keeping some countries in their orbit, but the control was more indirect that it used to be. Between the kleptocrats running Running the new Russian empire and the economy being much smaller, a lot of military production capacity within Russia withered and died. They kept some industries going, more for the export market than for their own consumption. Their own military only got new equipment when there were enough foreign orders to buy some things for the Russian military from the profits. Then a lot of it got stolen.

Russia is still a large country and if they decided they were going to get rid of the kleptocrats and turn the country into a giant North Korea, they could build out their military production and draft all young men into the military, turning the country into a state on a constant war footing. They would risk regime ending rebellion getting there and they can't do it while fighting the war, but this is one scenario for a post war Russia that we need to avoid. The world would be less safe with a fully armed Russia.

This would eventually collapse because Russia doesn't have the youth to keep this up for more than a few decades, but we could see a tense few decades if this happens.
I saw a post recently on X claiming China has stopped the export of some types of drones to Russia also some drone parts. The implication was China wasn't happy about some of Russia's recent nuclear threats.

IMO Russians fossil fuel exports are heading south, that is one reason why they are fighting the war.

Should Russia remain a hostile state after the war, I can see they may find it hard to import many hi-tech products, and the may struggle to pay for them,

I also expect Ukraine to do very well after the war is over and to keep building sufficient military capacity to deter Russia. After this wear ends badly, it will be a brave Russian who starts another war when the other side clearly has superior technology.

It is going to take industrial scale espionage and IP-theft for Russia to close the technology gap.
 
In light of the perhaps imminent announcement regarding ATACMS here is the thread of threads on the topic:


@wdolson re VDV in Bahkmut, I suggest reading the ISW report.
 
I saw a post recently on X claiming China has stopped the export of some types of drones to Russia also some drone parts. The implication was China wasn't happy about some of Russia's recent nuclear threats.

IMO Russians fossil fuel exports are heading south, that is one reason why they are fighting the war.

Should Russia remain a hostile state after the war, I can see they may find it hard to import many hi-tech products, and the may struggle to pay for them,

I also expect Ukraine to do very well after the war is over and to keep building sufficient military capacity to deter Russia. After this wear ends badly, it will be a brave Russian who starts another war when the other side clearly has superior technology.

It is going to take industrial scale espionage and IP-theft for Russia to close the technology gap.

China announced it would quit exporting their largest drones to both Russia and Ukraine this fall.

Russia probably couldn't stay on par in most technological areas in a North Korea scenario, but they could scale up what North Korea has done. Technologically NK is way behind the west in most military technology. They make up for it by having a lot of people under arms and having a lot of equipment as well as focusing on being relevant in two areas: nuclear technology and missile technology.

You don't need F-35s to be a dangerous threat.

Another article revealing Russian thinking
A Difficult but Necessary Decision

In light of the perhaps imminent announcement regarding ATACMS here is the thread of threads on the topic:


@wdolson re VDV in Bahkmut, I suggest reading the ISW report.

It says elements of two divisions and three of the four independent brigades. It's vague about how much of those two divisions are there. In any case, a significant portion of the VDV are in the Bakhmut area, but not all of it.
 
Oleksii Danilov is saying that a rebellion is brewing in Russia
Rebellion is brewing in Russia – Ukraine’s National Security Council chief
after what happened with Prigozhin, you have to suspect that any future rebellion would be "all in".

With such military resource committed in Ukraine, you have to think that a break away of any region in Russia would be hard to quell, and could have a domino effect quite quickly, certainly in political terms.

The Goberchev coup is an interesting comparison, even though that was not successful, it shows how quickly things can happen, and you have to think that a further attempt would show further weakness, that Putin can ill afford politically.
 
after what happened with Prigozhin, you have to suspect that any future rebellion would be "all in".

With such military resource committed in Ukraine, you have to think that a break away of any region in Russia would be hard to quell, and could have a domino effect quite quickly, certainly in political terms.

The Goberchev coup is an interesting comparison, even though that was not successful, it shows how quickly things can happen, and you have to think that a further attempt would show further weakness, that Putin can ill afford politically.

I've thought along similar lines. For a coup to be successful, the people pulling off the coup needs to get support from various elements of the government pretty quickly. If they don't it's going to fizzle and die a quick death. That may be why Prigozhin called off the convoy to Moscow, he wasn't getting and of the elite to join him.

But provinces breaking away from the central government's control is another thing and more likely to succeed when the army is bogged down and dying in a foreign war. If a province in Siberia suddenly decided they were going to break away from Moscow and go their own way, Moscow would be a in a poor position to put down the rebellion. Over the years Russia has kept a pretty strong internal security force to keep the provinces in line, but they have committed a fair portion of that force to Ukraine along with almost all of the regular army.

There is only a fairly thin force left in Russia to stop any rebellion.
 
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I'd expect a coup somewhere like Kaliningrad before a Siberian province.

You'd think so considering its isolation, but the oblast was settled by loyal ethnic Russians after the Germans were removed in the late 1940s. It's probably more loyal to Moscow than most remote oblasts are.

Another region that would be ripe for rebellion would be the south. Chenya was trying to break away in the 90s like the other Muslim republics did. There are a number of mostly Muslim oblasts along the southern parts of Russia that are culturally closer to the ex-Soviet republics that are now independent countries next door than tied to Moscow. Rostov was pretty happy to see Wagner with the mutiny Prigozhin pulled off too.

The southern Muslim region is Russia's biggest summer grain growing region and the southern area around Ukraine on down to Georgia is their biggest winter grain growing region. Losing those oblasts would leave Russia with a huge drop in grain production. Though new countries would quickly have markets for their agricultural products and the south western region near Ukraine would have ports available to ship from.

A rebellion in that SW region would also cripple the war effort in Ukraine. Most of Russia's supply routes would be cut off and the army starved for supplies would be trapped between two enemies at once. Even if the SW region rebels didn't fully trust Ukraine, they would probably work with Ukraine short term because they have a common enemy.

A SW rebellion would be more risky because there are Russian army units in the region outside of Ukraine that may be able to move on the rebels. Though the units outside of Ukraine are mostly shattered units rebuilding and their mostly mobik troops might not be loyal enough to be trusted.
 
Why Kaliningrad? Heavily militarized, small.
Other than the geographic isolation from the rest of Russia, being surrounded by EU territory, and uprising against Moscow in 2010, the people of Kaliningrad/Konigsberg have been hit very hard in the wallet by sanctions. Tourism was a big part of the economy prior to the war. Those tourists not only brought their money, but also Western ideals.

 
I'd expect a coup somewhere like Kaliningrad before a Siberian province.
From my perspective, a breakaway Siberian region* is as unlikely and as doomed as would be Alaska, Yukon, NWTerritory or Nunavut. We all are absolutely dependent on the largesse of D.C., Ottawa or Moscow and no one responsible has any illusions otherwise.

*I don’t believe the OP was suggesting Siberia, rather just throwing out “another part of Russia”. All this is separate from any discussion regarding Chinese adventurism to their north.
 
Point of Personal Preference 🤣

I keep reading in varied posts “mobik”. Is this a genuine term, or a collective fat-fingering for “mobile” amongst some posters?

It's a new term generated by this war:

 
Re: Azerbaijan's latest attack on Armenia.

Allegedly:

Opportunism.

Not sure Russia flipped sides. However, Russian “peacekeepers” have been there since 2020. Azerbaijan correctly estimated the calculated risk that Russia would not intervene on Armenia’s behalf, as they were expected to before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Azerbaijan noticed the same thing everyone else did – Russia has been pulling out soldiers and materials from all over their periphery to bring into occupied Ukraine to sustain their failing war.

Probably another consideration for Azerbaijan- if Russia doesn’t have to respect a neighbor’s sovereignty, why do they?…
 
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