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But this assumes that a person would buy the car without ever going to the store, without having a store near them, without taking any time from delivery specialists, basically only having been exposed to the car by their friend who is an owner (and who may have incorrect information about the car, as many owners do).
I got the car with never going to a store, don't have a store with me, didn't take any time from a DS (flatbedded to my house by third party) and only saw a Model S from a local owner who let me do a test drive. It's not like I lived in the middle of nowhere either, I lived in Charleston, SC at the time. I wonder what percent will be like me and how many will still need hand holding.

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Between the two evils of A dealership or owner salesman. I choose owner salesman.

I'd rather see dealership models dead than stroke my own feeling of morality and righteousness
My favorite part of my buying experience was not having to interact with a dealer or salesman. If the person who showed me his car and gave me a test drive had gotten a referral bonus I would've been happy for him, even if I hadn't gotten one myself.
 
OK Nostradamus, time to dust off the crystal ball again for the over/under on what this does to the stock going into ER and then after ER. I'm running through plausible theories and can't arrive at a definitive conclusion myself. Seems the market hasn't fully processed this yet either.

Thou must prophesy!

:)

8 ball stopped working after the 90kwh announcement. I believe Elon managed to pinpoint who it is with the two data points from Model D and the 90kWh.
 
I hate to say it, but the easy way to get some referrals is to set up camp in the store/gallery. "psst, buddy. want to save $1000 on your car?". Heck the sales people would have an incentive, if just out of kindness, to make sure they use a referral. I mean, they will probably be trained NOT to since every referral is an excuse to not have as many employees, but I would feel bad keeping quiet and be de-facto adding on a $1k fee for not knowing about a discount.
 
So I get what they're saying about costs, but I really don't see how this is going to save on costs or increase the amount of sales. It's not like they can use this program to replace building out their store and service network so I don't see how it could possibly be responsible for a significant decrease in cost of sales.

Agree. Anyone who decides to buy a new Model S will contact some owner and each will get their referral amounts. The burden on stores will not decrease.
 
Agree. Anyone who decides to buy a new Model S will contact some owner and each will get their referral amounts. The burden on stores will not decrease.

A test drive from an owner may be sufficient. If not, then a phone call to Palo Alto should provide answers to further questions. Otherwise, online ordering should get the job done. This would be especially true in troublesome states where Tesla is restricted from selling directly.
 
The Salesman Conundrum

Hello All,

Now that we had a little bit of time to absorb the news. I want to put my thoughts into the recent move to do owner referrals and why it makes really good business sense. Apologies in advance for the long post. I also want to say that I think this went in line with the most recent hires Tesla has made. Let's re-cap a few things:

Tesla as a brand
1. Still considered a niche luxury brand
2. Communication for the brand and its missions has been very much "push" in strategy (blog posts and news) to the mass market
3. For those who are in the market (Luxury/Eco-conscious/Tech-savvy)-- excluding early adopters-- Tesla is very much a "Pull brand." A buyer needs to take the initiative to go to the site or go into a gallery for information or have a friend.

From the "Announcement"
1. $1000 referral bonus (form of accessories/new vehicle/service) for existing owners and $1000 off for the new customer
2. Good Faith needs to be exhibited and Tesla has the right to pull the incentive. This is a crucial point
3. The referrals are capped at 10
4. This is a limited time engagement for now

Recent Events
1. Tesla is having trouble with dealerships and local governments to establish "dealerships"/Stores where they can actively sell vehicles via test drives and talk about price. It's having problems in almost every state. New York outlets are capped at 5, Texas they aren't allowed, Connecticut, etc. We all know this.
2. Tesla recently started launching pop-up stores in select locations. The problem here is conversion and requirement of extra staff. They pull existing store staff to sit down at these pop ups. This can lead to issues of under capacity at the pop up or existing store
3. Model X is coming. We know they are working the assembly line.

My Thoughts
Let's get Model X out of the way first -- yes this will eat into demand for Model S. People here brought up a good point about "excess" capacity. By no means is this demand constraint. It means that Tesla has a line that won't be running as quickly for Model X because they will be fine tuning and working out the kinks. They've already mastered the Model S so far... so why not use this "excess" capacity to drive more sales and perhaps entice those waiting for the X to convert to the S thereby shortening the wait list for the 25K+ reservations for X. Seems logical to me.

Instead of spending money continuing to battle these local governments the money is better spent on the owners instead of lobbying.

This is huge for states where Tesla has so far lost against the car dealers. You have a passionate consumer base that would have talked/sold the car anyway but now are rewarding them for their loyalty. Makes total sense to me. Best gift ever. But the bigger thing is now in these states, new customers don't need to go into a gallery and not be able to drive the car or talk about price. Not everybody is going to buy a car without driving it. I know there are people who did that here, but it is not the norm. With this program they can actually talk about price, quality, drive, and even share their own experiences which all of us on this bloody forum do any way-- yes there are owners outside of this forum who may want a Tesla-- I kid.

The business end this is an extremely smart move to pilot this. My background actually isn't too far off from the new head of sales and I was involved in opening points of sales/boutiques so I know what is involved. By piloting this referral program Tesla is able to test and see the conversion rate via word of mouth with hard data-- and no so much so and so introduced me to the brand. Tesla is able to avoid a few key costs that the Wall Street analysts have emphasized. They are as follows:

1. Rent/Lease agreements for "galleries" - 0 conversion, just information as a benefit so this is a waste
2. Capex for renovation/retrofit/refit for the stores that they make. Let me assure you this is not cheap
3. Hiring new staff at a location which will include onboarding, taxes, training, insurance, hire paperwork, etc.
4. Marketing expenses -- they can remain minimal
5. This enables Tesla to understand how to best approach Model 3 in the future. It will also enable Tesla an outlet to use funds for other things such as R&D, Gigafactory build, etc. -- slows the rate of cash burn
6. More inventory vehicles sitting around for test drives can be avoided -- now owners use their own cars
7. Reinvestment into Tesla via accessories/services/new vehicles where Tesla gets higher margins. For an owner to get those beautiful turbines-- he'd need to refer 4-5 people. Think about it...
8. Makes people option out their car to the next level because they are getting a little bit more. Maybe... going for that paint job they wouldn't have went for in the past.

Now I'm not claiming that I know how the $2,000 a car was derived but the benefits I outlined above are definitely worth it. You better believe Tesla had to pay early lease terminations/get stuck with leases for places it couldn't open/had to close/ or not talk about sales. That is wasted money. It's definitely worth it to pilot this program-- if it fails that's fine at least it was ruled out. I think this, paired up with the pop up store will be more than enough to drive demand for a while and create Model S "Buffer" while Tesla works the kinks out on the Model X mass and fast production.

We can all agree to disagree but from my experience paying out 10 owners $10,000 is practically just getting tiles for the floor that Tesla uses at the store... just a point to ponder.
 
I suspect that the Model X incentives for Model S owners who refer ten new buyers will be more motivation than the collective $10,000 rebate on future purchases by a referrer. As with any sales organization, a small percentage of Model S owners will make the lion’s share of the referrals. It will likely be seen by them as a challenge they cannot refuse.
 
For whom that owns a $100,000 car is $1,000 material? No one that owns a Tesla is going to "camp out" at a store in hopes of scoring a $1,000 store credit. This is a "non-sales" selling incentive. You give test-drives, as you would anyway, and if the person is blown away - as they should be, you say, "if you order one, use my code and you get $1k off and I get $1k.

For or those that are offended by the promotion, use your God-given right to opt out.

This is a good idea, a short-term boon for speculation, a ill-found cause for hand-wringing and a bunch of free publicity.
 
. But this assumes that a person would buy the car without ever going to the store, without having a store near them, without taking any time from delivery specialists, basically only having been exposed to the car by their friend who is an owner (and who may have incorrect information about the car, as many owners do). So I get what they're saying about costs, but I really don't see how this is going to save on costs or increase the amount of sales.

Multiple market research reports say it takes about 1/2hr to sell in ICEv but 4-6 hrs to sell a BEV.

Owners can pre-sell the car to friends.

All that is necessary is a Test drive(perhaps) of the newest model,if the owner-friend does not have the exact model new potential owner prefers, and look at the newest colors/fabrics/seats at a Tesla store.

Pre-Sold customers would not need 4-6 hrs of Tesla employee time answering questions over multiple visits.

Pre-Sold customers might be more willing to drive farther out than just a curious potential customer, meaning less stores.

I think this does increase sales but also gives benefit to large number of sales that would have happened anyway.
 
I think this is an extremely smart idea, and I agree that this is the demand lever mentioned by Musk a while back.

I'm expecting the website Model X configurator to go live Thursday after market or Friday during market, and I think this was the last step before we receive a lot more information about the Model X.

Why is this important? I'll list out my opinions here:
A) It's only referring for the Model S. The typical effect of demand waning in the face of pending, new models being released is heavily being combated by this program. (This program is not counting Model X reserves/orders--huge clue right here)
B) It does indeed indicate that they are finally demand restrained on the Model S, or are expected to be quite soon. This does not mean that they were demand constrained before Q3, but rather in the massive quarter over quarter jump expected for Q3 and Q4 Model S. This is to be expected--they are ramping up significantly year over year for Q3, just like from 2013-2014 in the same quarter, and the wait times have not exactly been that long compared to earlier in the year. No matter how awesome the Model S is, they're still hitting the upper limits of what luxury sedans in the same price range sell for in the US, and their China/western European exposure is still developing and can't yet pick up that torch. The Model S being demand constrained is not an issue in a few months as the Model X production fires up and deliveries begin, as both investors and Elon are expecting Model S demand to decrease relative to the Model X anyways (Musk's comments a while back in his belief the Model X will surpass Model S popularity, and SUV popularity v. Sedan).
C) Although I've been skeptical of a Model X delay recently, I think this right here demonstrates that there is not any Model X delay. My logic here is that this demand lever applicable to the Model S, will allow Model X information to go out in earnest without allowing target delivery numbers to slip on the MS.
D) This model serves Elon's model well. This will have a much proportionately larger impact out of major city centers. Tesla owners already do this for free, and by far the best electric car salesman is your neighbor next door who you see every single day commuting and road tripping--not a salesman.

So I get what they're saying about costs, but I really don't see how this is going to save on costs or increase the amount of sales. It's not like they can use this program to replace building out their store and service network so I don't see how it could possibly be responsible for a significant decrease in cost of sales.

The business I work at saves tens of millions of dolllars by developing and expanding self-serve options for customers that replace interactions with customer service reps. They put an X dollar amount on every transaction, and lo and behold after working there for a year, I ran those numbers myself (number of personal transactions divided into my salary/benefits) and the two numbers matched pretty closely. In the grand scheme of things, not having to hire as many new workers to accommodate growth saved money by implementing those self-serve options.

It works like this: by employing tools like the referral, they can compare growth of revenue to growth of overhead costs. If the growth of overhead slows compared to revenue faster than expected with referral bonuses, TM is at the very least breaking even (they've done the research here already) and at the very most they're creating new loyal customers who'll be multiple Tesla vehicles over the next decade.
 
Holy moly Elon sure knows how to keep things interesting, for better or worse.

I expect more wild price swings as people and bots try to figure out just what the heck all of this means.

I do think the incentives are there to boost Model S sales during the time Model X production ramps up.
 
I'm seriously torn on this one. On the one hand, as an investor I feel like this is a dividend on the proselytizing I was already doing...gratis. So be sure to get Fluffy an X! And of course that dilutes the purity of my tirading in the first place.

I'm going rose colored glasses and again...lean towards forward thinking that a shiny new assembly line with 3-4x the robots, state of the art paint shop and covertly over-correcting from previous production constraints are now hinting they will no longer be demand constrained. Again, that's Fluffy with an X... :wink:
 
I think this is an extremely smart idea, and I agree that this is the demand lever mentioned by Musk a while back.

I'm expecting the website Model X configurator to go live Thursday after market or Friday during market, and I think this was the last step before we receive a lot more information about the Model X.

Why is this important? I'll list out my opinions here:
A) It's only referring for the Model S. The typical effect of demand waning in the face of pending, new models being released is heavily being combated by this program. (This program is not counting Model X reserves/orders--huge clue right here)
B) It does indeed indicate that they are finally demand restrained on the Model S, or are expected to be quite soon. This does not mean that they were demand constrained before Q3, but rather in the massive quarter over quarter jump expected for Q3 and Q4 Model S. This is to be expected--they are ramping up significantly year over year for Q3, just like from 2013-2014 in the same quarter, and the wait times have not exactly been that long compared to earlier in the year. No matter how awesome the Model S is, they're still hitting the upper limits of what luxury sedans in the same price range sell for in the US, and their China/western European exposure is still developing and can't yet pick up that torch. The Model S being demand constrained is not an issue in a few months as the Model X production fires up and deliveries begin, as both investors and Elon are expecting Model S demand to decrease relative to the Model X anyways (Musk's comments a while back in his belief the Model X will surpass Model S popularity, and SUV popularity v. Sedan).
C) Although I've been skeptical of a Model X delay recently, I think this right here demonstrates that there is not any Model X delay. My logic here is that this demand lever applicable to the Model S, will allow Model X information to go out in earnest without allowing target delivery numbers to slip on the MS.
D) This model serves Elon's model well. This will have a much proportionately larger impact out of major city centers. Tesla owners already do this for free, and by far the best electric car salesman is your neighbor next door who you see every single day commuting and road tripping--not a salesman.



The business I work at saves tens of millions of dolllars by developing and expanding self-serve options for customers that replace interactions with customer service reps. They put an X dollar amount on every transaction, and lo and behold after working there for a year, I ran those numbers myself (number of personal transactions divided into my salary/benefits) and the two numbers matched pretty closely. In the grand scheme of things, not having to hire as many new workers to accommodate growth saved money by implementing those self-serve options.

It works like this: by employing tools like the referral, they can compare growth of revenue to growth of overhead costs. If the growth of overhead slows compared to revenue faster than expected with referral bonuses, TM is at the very least breaking even (they've done the research here already) and at the very most they're creating new loyal customers who'll be multiple Tesla vehicles over the next decade.

Thats all good if it works to reduce sales workforce/stores. That is far from a given. First of all, it is only a three month program. There is no way a three month program can change the long term need for stores etc. A permanent program might, but that is not on the table. Second, even if a three month or even a permanent program increased sales as expected and therefore reduced the number of stores, in the long run this would absolutely cripple sales of Model 3. Sales of Model 3 will require far more infrastructure than Model S/X to get to 500,000 cars per year and anything that prevents this needed infrastructure will be a negative in the long run.

Thus, if this program were permanent, it would cripple Model 3 sales if the number of stores do not grow to meet 500,000 Model 3 sales (even if the program was applied to Model 3). If not permanent, then there is no real way to reduce operating costs for sales over a 3 month program.

Then why did Elon role out such a program? Simple, to try and prop up Model S sales until/while Model X comes on line. Thats why it is only three months. IMHO, the justification that the program will reduce operating costs is an excuse to justify a program needed to prop up Model S sales.

I still think this is a great move by Elon, but lets be clear what its true purpose is.

What will happen with the stock? I suspect it will drop tomorrow and I am ready to take advantage of bargain prices for TSLA.
 
I do believe that this announcement is likely a first shot, among several to follow – we are likely to see on-line configurator to go live either immediately after the ER, or possibly even before then. I could be totally wrong, but I just don’t see today’s announcement as *not* a prelude to the MX “reveal” (whatever form it might take)

As for the demand, I do not believe that this move is to prop up current demand – it is no doubt about boosting current demand to a *higher level*. It totally makes sense as this time as TM is about to triple their production capability (as Elon mentioned himself). Just to put things in perspective, out of 10,045K deliveries in Q1 there were roughly 5.5K deliveries in US, 3.5K in Europe, and 1K in Asia. In Q2, even assuming that Asia went up to 1.5K, since we know that Europe was around 3.9K, the US was about 6.1K (11.5-1.5-3.9). To convert this to an yearly rate, we are talking about the US being at 24K (exceeding by now long thought and discussed 18-20K yearly “plateauing” demand) and Europe closing on 16K, with 20K being in sight! Even though these are excellent numbers (US and Europe), TM is clearly planning to push them significantly higher.

And lastly, about the incentive itself, this might be a very smart move if it proves to generate additional sales compared to what is being sold out of the currently open stores. It will not only be earnings neutral, but will have huge benefit to defer about half of the $2K in sales expenses to the time of when car actually sells, and another half to sometime *after* the sale. Compare this with the current model where TM has to spend on the store/sales personnel *before* they generate any sales. This could prove not only an excellent demand generation and dealer fighting move, but also a brilliant accounting move if they indeed can determine that this incentive program sales are in addition to what they are selling through the stores (and make no mistake – TM will have all the data points they need to make this call-hence the trial time till October 31).

For those who think that this model might "cripple" the roll-out of the mortar and brick stores, I think it is intended to complement, rather to replace the stores. Look at it as an attempt to reduce up-front sales costs, deferring it to the time of sales.
 
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