mmd
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Is this the TSLA investment thread, or the thread for comical musings? Isn't there a separate thread to discuss the Volkswagen scandal?
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Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015
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Fixing the problem while keeping the company together to generate a profit again later on is a better outcome than to file bankruptcy and rebuild the company. The brand has been tarnished really badly and best way is to regain some trust by fixing. Let's see how deep VW pocket book is.
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FredTMC
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i don't blame VW dealers. I don't think they had any part in this pollution fraud
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What am I missing here? isn't the VW fix as simple as changing the firmware? Granted the MPG and HP will drop but emissions will be within requirement from EPA
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On that note, here's a good article on the Verge discussing why this is another great reason to start embracing EVs Volkswagens $7.3 billion diesel deception is a blessing in disguise | The Verge
If diesel fuel consumption is controlled similarly to how gasoline fuel consumption is controlled, a simple change to the fuel/air mapping is minimum requirement. This type of change would happen with an update to the ECU (e.g., firmware update).
As for modern day emissions testing, if emissions testing is similar to how gasoline cars are tested, it is done via OBD-II. Plug and play is all it takes and a computer will do a reading when the car is at idle.
Gosh, owning a Tesla car would bypass all this emissions test so quickly...
ev-enthusiast
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If this is true, this would be a further escalation of #dieselgate
EU polititian Sven Giegold chimes in and says there is proof German government new about this fraud at least since 28th of July this year and did not take action (link, google translate):
I don't know what to say anymore.
German car enthusiast says sorry for all that.
I just hope that people keep their faith in Tesla Motors and their vision.
EU polititian Sven Giegold chimes in and says there is proof German government new about this fraud at least since 28th of July this year and did not take action (link, google translate):
And this use of a switch is not limited to diesel engines.
I don't know what to say anymore.
German car enthusiast says sorry for all that.
I just hope that people keep their faith in Tesla Motors and their vision.
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Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Thanks, interesting. What is also quite interesting is that the German government, directly and through mutual funds and pension fund, are the largest owner of VW. Obviously they haven't traded on this advance information - it would be very suspicious if the goverment started selling off ownership in VW on no news
No, what I'm saying is they have a vested interested (major shareholder, VW creates a lot of jobs and is very important to the German economy) in keeping this down and out of the searchlight. For all we know there may have been very high up political discussions in the last 6 weeks, I'm thinking on the level of Merkel calling Obama, where the Germans may have hoped to silence the whole thing while the US likely in the end decided to let the EPA do it's thing on this.
On a related note: big public companies like VW must have contingency plans i.e. a pre-formed strategy of any way they could get out of a situation where the stock price tumbles uncontrollably for whatever reason with the least amount of damage. Like now, I think VW have several pre-considered options on the table, going private with parts of their business can be one, split up in smaller chunks and let one of them go bancrupt is another (think cutting off the arm with gangrene to let the rest of the body live).
On a second related note: I'm glad we're discussing #dieselgate over #foldgate
EldestOyster
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Diesel Entry Way Issue... I am constantly annoyed that we've appropriated "gate" for everything gone wrong. But, if we must, maybe we could be a little more creative; give a nod to the turbochargers and call it #wastegate . That would make me smile.
I wouldn't blame dealers either. Can't group them all up. The big issue is VW was pushing these diesel's as clean vehicles knowing that they weren't. It's just malicious intent. In terms of just a firmware update, yes these are "just" firmware updates physically but it affects the performance of the car, which essentially misleads customers and that's the damage that is the tricky part here because it affects residual values. In addition, people actually bought these cars because they were "more efficient" and burned cleaner going the extra mile because there are less diesel stations in some instances and paying a little bit of a premium. This VW is going to have to deal with. There were reports on VW forums where customers brought their cars for the first firmware update and immediately saw a 10mpg drop from their normal driving. The VW Dealers gave some BS reason about Winter and Summer mix of fuel.... This is the big problem.
Then there's also the factor of residual values. Now you have all these owners who have to bring their cars in for a recall where the car will suffer in performance and efficiency. Not to mention, you just pissed off a loyal fan base and people will undoubtedly be selling their cars due to these implications.
Johann Koeber
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I am speechless.
This is really bad.
And Winterkorn wants to keep his job - no way. I guess it just takes a few days for him to realise.
With respect to short term price. What worries me a little is the P85 horsepower fiasco. In the end there is and will be a ton of pixels illuminated on who is technically right. But in the end it does not matter, as Tesla has alienated some of their earliest and most eager fans by a lack of communication, and lack of resolution to consumers who feel they have been misled. I really, really hope the same does not go for Model X launch (foldgate etc....which would result in cancellations).
I remember staring work at an Easter Seals Camp when I was younger, working with children with mental and or physical disabilities. Some of these children had severe disabilities and at the end of my first day, my head was spinning trying to keep everything straight. My buddy looked at me and said, `look after the kid in front of you, and everything else will take care of itself`. This piece of advice I have thought of often , and I hope Tesla follows it. Build a great car, and the rest will follow. (ignore marketing with gas savings, claims which may or may not be relevant.....etc). People support tesla as they want CHANGE from the status quo. If they want obfuscation of facts, or arguments based on what some consider misleading data...then we would go to a DEALERHSIP. Build a great car, and stop underestimating the consumer to make a great choice.
I remember staring work at an Easter Seals Camp when I was younger, working with children with mental and or physical disabilities. Some of these children had severe disabilities and at the end of my first day, my head was spinning trying to keep everything straight. My buddy looked at me and said, `look after the kid in front of you, and everything else will take care of itself`. This piece of advice I have thought of often , and I hope Tesla follows it. Build a great car, and the rest will follow. (ignore marketing with gas savings, claims which may or may not be relevant.....etc). People support tesla as they want CHANGE from the status quo. If they want obfuscation of facts, or arguments based on what some consider misleading data...then we would go to a DEALERHSIP. Build a great car, and stop underestimating the consumer to make a great choice.
EldestOyster
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I looked at Yahoo and it did show me that information. I see there is a "settings" ("gear") button that lets you turn this on or off.
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