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Come on, you guys know everything is a Tesla killer. It is how these poor websites make their money generating click revenue. Just wait, honda will release a new civic or accord hybrid and it will be noted in some headlines that it too is a Tesla Killer and then in the same breath call their new NSX hybrid a Tesla killer... because anything with any kind of EV motor/battery is a Tesla killer, right?
 
Another Tesla killer!

Porsches Tesla-fighting Mission E concept car gets green light for production | The Verge

It's like sitting at a 15' long dinner table with a feast and currently Tesla is the only one there to eat. And why is it a problem that others are coming to join them? I mean good grief, isn't there plenty of EV interest to go around? Why does every other EV effort have to be classified as a "Tesla" killer?

Headlines should read:

Porsche's ICE-fighting Mission E concept car gets green light for production


Probably because no one reads any of these articles unless "Tesla" is in the headline or mentioned prominently in the article. And the shorts and shills are desperate for a "Tesla Killer".
 
Sorry, but I have to mention this. I do not understand why people fall for this again and again. Same as with the Not-At-All-Tesla-Killer-Bolt (btw I think that the use of killer is inapropriate in this context of cars). I stood next to the Porsche mule at IAA in Frankfurt. This is a belly button car. This car is so flat, nobody fits in between the battery in the floor and the ceiling of the car. Everybody who tried to sit in the car had issues to get in and out of the car as it is way too flat for people to use. It is these proportions that makes the car look great on all these press releases. It is a plastic show car. Made to appeal on press releases for marketing purposes. Nothing more than that. Sorry. It is not a feasability study for demonstrating their battery tech or their inverter tech or their engine tech or their charging tech or their AWD tech, or .......... nothing.

Sure this is a nice car, cause it is 100% fantasy, I could imagine we will never see production of that vehicle:(What the hell will Porsch say that is important in 2019 or 2020, maybe that EVs are bad an by the end of next decade FC will be the next big thing and in the meantime selling all these great turbo ICE engines for years and years and years.

Sorry farzyness, I agree it is a nice looking car.
But unfortunately it is nothing more than that:(


I am inclined to agree with our German friend here. It looks kind of Le Mans car cool in some ways, but looks alone aren't enough to create a winning EV. I can't imagine a prototype like that actually being produced in that form in any meaningful volume.

I sure wish other automakers would get on board and sign up with the Tesla Secret Master Plan, but so far, no such luck.
 
Probably because no one reads any of these articles unless "Tesla" is in the headline or mentioned prominently in the article. And the shorts and shills are desperate for a "Tesla Killer".

That is a great insight. They are pandering to a captive audience of TSLA shorts. They must click through those headlines with a ferocious loyalty to warrant writing the same article over and over.
 
Come on, you guys know everything is a Tesla killer. It is how these poor websites make their money generating click revenue. Just wait, honda will release a new civic or accord hybrid and it will be noted in some headlines that it too is a Tesla Killer and then in the same breath call their new NSX hybrid a Tesla killer... because anything with any kind of EV motor/battery is a Tesla killer, right?
This just in: Porsche introduced another Tesla killer EV!

PS: I know, I know, very OT, but it's a Friday night so no TSLA stuff for the next 2 days.
 
Paris COP21: Climate talks may not matter, because coal and oil will be redundant anyway : Renew Economy

Tony Seba is back at it. He's predicting all solar, battery, and EVs by 2030.

This is a bit faster that my prediction about peak conventional oil hitting about 2032, when the entire global fleet of gasoline vehicles starts to decline. This also signals the permanent destruction of demand transportation fuels.

Seba seems to be assuming exponential growth, whereas my models were based on logistic growth. On any case, change is coming fast.

My latest theory is that there is no hope for natural gas above $3/MMBTU. This price implies a cost of fuel of about $35/MWh, but PPAs are coming in as low as $39/MWh for solar and $25/MWh for wind. Moreover, solar will continue to fall 10% to 15% every year for the next 10 years. Thus, if the price of natural gas goes above $3/MMBTU, declining at least 10% each year, then this will only serve to speed up the uptake of solar and batteries, which only destroys demand for gas even faster.

I mostly write about this in the SolarCity thread, but I feel it is important for all Tesla investors to understand as well. As demand for natural gas is destroyed by solar, wind and batteries, this puts tremendous pressure on oil too. Oil and natural gas compete as petrochemical feedstock and in heating fuel markets. The glut of natural gas is destroying demand for oil in non-transportation markets. This in turn impact how Tesla and solar stocks trade on a daily basis. Natural has will not recover, and oil cannot recover except as temporary bubble with an ever worse bust to follow. Tesla investors need to get used to this reality. The success of Tesla is not predicated on avoiding expensive fuels, it's based on building better vehicles that people want to drive no matter how cheap oil becomes.

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This just in: Porsche introduced another Tesla killer EV!

PS: I know, I know, very OT, but it's a Friday night so no TSLA stuff for the next 2 days.

Tesla killer, c'est-ce que c'est, f-f-f-fa...

Talking Heads - PsychoKiller - YouTube
 
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Of course Porsche will produce a compelling EV. So will BMW. It's inevitable, or they will go the way of buggy-whip manufacturers.

But they are all doing it as slowly as possible, kicking and screaming along the way....which is why Apple/Google/Faraday Future have a leg up on the OEMs and are more of a threat to TSLA.

P.S....gotta love the Forbes headline, 'Porsche is charging ahead with Mission E 'Tesla Killer''. 2020 is not exactly charging ahead, and the stronger Tesla becomes the more ridiculous journalists sound with the whole 'killer' thing.
 
P.S....gotta love the Forbes headline, 'Porsche is charging ahead with Mission E 'Tesla Killer''. 2020 is not exactly charging ahead, and the stronger Tesla becomes the more ridiculous journalists sound with the whole 'killer' thing.

LOL, "charging ahead", oh yeah, it is a 2-seater sports car with 3.5s acceleration aka a direct competitor to the Tesla Roadster from 2008. Only 12 years late to produce a competitor car, that's some charging ahead, indeed...
In the meantime Tesla has already produced (on the road, not vaporware) a 4 door 5+2 seater sedan that accelerates in 2.6s
 
Forget Tesla, Buy Korean Battery Makers’ Shares

Interesting, this article comes from Tesla Bull Ron Barron's publication. Does that affect TSLA price action next week? I guess $20-$30/share is priced in Tesla energy (battery) business.

Why buy an electric car when oil has fallen to $40 a barrel? A lot of people apparently appreciate the long-term value of reducing carbon emissions, while protecting themselves from a reversal in oil prices. Global electric-vehicle sales continued to grow rapidly, from just 14,500 monthly units at the start of 2014 to 48,500 in September, even as oil prices dived.
The future for electric cars is bright. The second wave, including General Motors GM 2.199041443473358% General Motors Co. U.S.: NYSE [SUP]USD[/SUP]36.25 0.78 2.199041443473358% /Date(1449266420542-0600)/ Volume (Delayed 15m) : 11419269 AFTER HOURS [SUP]USD[/SUP]36.26 0.01 0.027586206896551724% Volume (Delayed 15m) : 143339 P/E Ratio 13.119322500090478 Market Cap 56970282287.5977 Dividend Yield 3.972413793103448% Rev. per Employee 705333 More quote details and news » GM in Your Value Your Change Short position ’ Chevy Bolt, will come to market in 2017 with a 200-mile driving range and a price around $30,000. As such, electric-vehicle bulls who find Tesla Motors TSLA -1.001246186240385% Tesla Motors Inc. U.S.: Nasdaq [SUP]USD[/SUP]230.38 -2.33 -1.001246186240385% /Date(1449266400093-0600)/ Volume (Delayed 15m) : 2545219 AFTER HOURS [SUP]USD[/SUP]230.9 0.52 0.22571403767688167% Volume (Delayed 15m) : 28384 P/E Ratio N/A Market Cap 30168492947.4536 Dividend Yield N/A Rev. per Employee 372828 More quote details and news » TSLA in Your Value Your Change Short position ’ (ticker: TSLA) stock too volatile—a fifth of its outstanding shares are borrowed by short sellers—can turn to Korean battery makers LG Chem 051910.SE -2.0602218700475436% LG Chem Ltd. S. Korea: KRX [SUP]KRW[/SUP]309000 -6500 -2.0602218700475436% /Date(1449262828000-0600)/ Volume (Delayed 20m) : 179325 P/E Ratio 21.8213518269549 Market Cap 20477770382812.5 Dividend Yield 1.2944983818770226% Rev. per Employee N/A More quote details and news » 051910.SE in Your Value Your Change Short position (051910.Korea) and Samsung SDI (006400.Korea) at much cheaper prices.
Electric cars are starting to make economic sense in China, the market with the most growth. Beijing doesn’t want more foul air, so in big cities like Shanghai, a license plate for a traditional car costs a whopping 80,000 yuan ($12,500) but is free for electric cars. As a result, after government subsidies, residents in Shanghai can buy BYD 1211.HK -2.322641807552536% BYD Co. Ltd. China: Shenzhen [SUP]CNY[/SUP]61.82 -1.47 -2.322641807552536% /Date(1449262936000-0600)/ Volume (Delayed 15m) : 10907826 P/E Ratio 76.16114327953677 Market Cap 127717372722.991 Dividend Yield 0.08087997411840828% Rev. per Employee 348058 More quote details and news » 1211.HK in Your Value Your Change Short position ’s (1211.Hong Kong) high-end E6 electric model for just over CNY200,000, 20% less than the gasoline-powered Kia 000270.SE 0.18450184501845018% Kia Motors Corp. S. Korea: KRX [SUP]KRW[/SUP]54300 100 0.18450184501845018% /Date(1449262814000-0600)/ Volume (Delayed 20m) : 397755 P/E Ratio 8.291342189647274 Market Cap 22011231262500 Dividend Yield 1.8416206261510129% Rev. per Employee 1419780000 More quote details and news » 000270.SE in Your Value Your Change Short position (000270.Korea) K3 compact, according to Barclays. The bank sees the electric-vehicle market growing to $12.4 billion in 2020 from $4.3 billion in 2014.
In battery technology, the rest of the world is headed in the direction opposite Tesla, a pioneer in packaging arrays of cheap, commoditized laptop batteries to power cars. The other car makers have turned to the two Korean suppliers, which claim that their larger batteries are safer. They also are more expensive.
“Korea is steaming ahead,” says Bernstein Research’s Mark Newman. Market leader LG Chem, which supplies GM (GM), has made significant cost reductions by packing more energy density into its batteries—in the case of GM, by 30% to 40% from the first-generation plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt to the all-electric 2017 Bolt. LG Chem supplies 13 of the top 20 global auto makers and six of China’s top 10.
Shares of LG Chem have risen about 20% since the Volkswagen (VLKAY) diesel emissions scandal refocused attention on electric vehicles. But the stock is still cheap, trading at just 1.8 times book, below its five-year average of 2.1 times. Barclays has a price target of 396,000 won ($340), promising 25% upside. The bank expects LG Chem’s battery unit to turn profitable by 2017, when the next-generation vehicles arrive.
While LG Chem is the No. 1 supplier, its stock isn’t a pure play—about 15% of its revenue comes from batteries and the rest from petrochemicals. The purest play would be technology runner-up Samsung SDI, which now gets three-quarters of its revenue from batteries, after shedding its chemical business for $2.6 billion in October. Trading at only 0.7 times book, Samsung SDI is dirt cheap, but there’s a reason for that. It’s part of the Samsung conglomerate, or chaebol, controversial for its opaque management. Investors fret that SDI will make an ill-advised move with the $2.6 billion to help out Samsung Engineering, in which SDI has a 13% stake. But Bernstein’s Newman thinks such worries are priced in. His price target of 160,000 won, about 33% above recent levels, values SDI at just 0.9 times book. That’s a lot less than Tesla’s 23 times.
 
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Imagine driving around five years from now, in 2020, with your P85D (non-ludicrous mind you)... and smoking a brand new lower performing Porsche Mission E at a red-light while carrying yourself and 4 other passengers. Yeah... nice "Tesla Killer" that thing was.


Don't forget that your P85D might have 150k miles on it by then too! Oh yeah, and the drive-train will still be under warranty!
 
Of course Porsche will produce a compelling EV. So will BMW. It's inevitable, or they will go the way of buggy-whip manufacturers.

But they are all doing it as slowly as possible, kicking and screaming along the way....which is why Apple/Google/Faraday Future have a leg up on the OEMs and are more of a threat to TSLA.

P.S....gotta love the Forbes headline, 'Porsche is charging ahead with Mission E 'Tesla Killer''. 2020 is not exactly charging ahead, and the stronger Tesla becomes the more ridiculous journalists sound with the whole 'killer' thing.

In the year 2025, Tesla will be the performance EV car with some auto pilot (there is no fun to letting your computer drive a performance car for you). Google will be the fully customizable functional EV with full autopilot and crashes very often. Apple will be the sleek looking EV with an uncrashable AI with limited functionality and possible routes.

All traditional car makers will be dead because of legacy pension problems.
 
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