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Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015
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This will not end well for this guy. He reminds me of the other Tesla oracle - John Petersen...
virtuesoft
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I think he is also short Amazon. He just needs to add Netflix to that list
Yep, he has been shorting AMZN since the high 370's.
https://twitter.com/markbspiegel/status/587626384983457792
So he's approx $50 a share down on that one too.
I wouldn't want him managing my money.
doggusfluffy
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Readers react to Elon Musks $4.9 billion in government subsidies - LA Times
I'm still not quite sure how this is considered journalism...
I'm still not quite sure how this is considered journalism...
tinm
2020 Model S LR+ Owner
It's not journalism. It's trolling and clickbait for pageviews and ad impressions. It's Hirsh probably filling some quota rather than doing actual reporting. It's despicable. And it's all too common in the media.
Jonathan Hewitt
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When asked about Model X schedule, status etc..."I have a shareholder meeting coming up in a week, so I would prefer to answer questions at that time"
Many events happening in next two weeks. Oil
and Gas industry meeting, grid storage industry event, and Tesla's investor meeting.
Energy Storage Association
ARPAe Grid Scale Energy Storage Meeting
Glori Energy to Keynote Industry Conference on Biology in Oil Systems in Stavanger,... -- HOUSTON, June 1, 2015 /PRNewswire/ --
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June and July will be very important months for the automobile, oil/gas, and battery industries.
Also, Energizer will complete the separation of its personal care division from its
household products division on July 1st. Has anyone looked at what's happening or might happen with Energizer?
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jhm
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Musk, "For the car companies, going electric is sort of an annoyance, but for the oil and gas industry, it's life and death."
It seems Musk may be specifically fingering the oil and gas industry as the origin of these political attacks. It is curious that he felt the need to defend his companies in this way. Anybody know why?
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
This actually bodes well. Earlier shareholder meetings haven't really been catalysts for short term stock price but perhaps the stars are lining up...?
Jonathan Hewitt
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Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Many of us here are in to Tesla and TSLA for a number of reasons: seeing what a great investment it is, making money, liking cars, liking technology, being early adopters, being concerned with the environment etc.
For Musk I feel it's really, really 98% about getting off fossil fuels ASAP in order to save humanity, and then 2% about him loving cars and tech. In his mind the fossil fuel industry is his adversaries and a real and acute threat to humanity.
My take on it in all humbleness.
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Bulls: Some Model X details will be revealed and Musk will confirm Model X is coming on-time (or early?!)
Bears: Obviously preparing everyone for another delay.
jhm
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It is also curious that Musk did not mention the coal industry. Over the last three years 190 out of 523 US coal plants have been retired. The coal industry has lost about 75% of its market cap in the last 4 years. The oil and gas industry has witnessed what has happened to coal, and they know their days are numbered too.
The Coal industry is basically already dead, but is on surviving on outdated life support.
: A Look Back At 2014 | ThinkProgress
ELECTRICITY: coal plant caught in the middle as FERC, N.Y. spar over market rules -- Wednesday, February 26, 2014 -- www.eenews.net
Unfortunately subsidies for the coal industry still exist. The government should stop all incentives for the coal industry and let the industry die a natural death. Also, the coal industry is responsible for a significant amount of environmental damage, that doesn't get much attention.
The death of the Coal industry and fines against companies that have destroyed many towns would probably be a good idea.
Coal is a big part of the Greek "economy" however most coal companies in Greece don't pay taxes, in some cases are paid to exist, and are not usually held accountable for damage they cause.
Greece benefits from $1bn German coal-fired plant finance - Power Engineering International
http://os.care2.com/all/coal-industry-wants-to-dump-on-great-barrier-reef-and-its-been-approved#1
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Oil/gas is finally starting to feel very threatened, especially now that TM Energy is 'in play'. When they look for the best single target to try to hold back the avalanche that is coming the logical choice is EM/Tesla/solar city. I very much like that EM came out swinging with tweets and a CNBC discussion. Going after this bear argument quickly, as he did over the f**e one. (Sorry, still can't print out the word....old habits die hard....like oil/gas)
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Agreed. And Elon I think can take any rational criticism but not unfounded attempts to spread incorrect assumptions about him, his companies and goals. Because he takes what he does very seriously.
Oil always knew their days were counted, but they expected to be in control and "unwind" their business in a controlled, profitable fashion. They are used to decades and decades of being in control of the energy markets and a lot of big national and global policy making - simply put they are so used to getting things the way they like that when this solar panel and EV nonsense takes off SO DAMN QUICK they start to panic a bit.
jhm
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Perhaps the race to get into stationary storage spooks them. This is will be a direct hit on natural gas, but as capacity builds and prices come down for advanced battery packs, they can flood into transportation and take out oil too. The investment community is just now waking up to the logic of coal divestment, but it might not be so slow to divest oil and gas. It's time to stop wasting money on exploration and to return earnings to investors.
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