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State based EV road user charge (Overturned 18/10/23)
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A judgement which was in reality a
3+1 / 1+1+1 is a dogs breakfast.
It puts into question all the other State taxes indicated on page 184
So basically the Feds are the only ones who can collect a RUC. But the States hold the ultimate power because they have the infrastructure (vehicle registration portals), data collection upon which to levy a RUC (declaration of km driven at registration) enforcement (withholding of vehicle registration)
I can see the Feds coming to an agreement with the States where the States becoming agents of the Feds to collect the RUC as part of vehicle rego.
National RUC here we come!!
3+1 / 1+1+1 is a dogs breakfast.
It puts into question all the other State taxes indicated on page 184
So basically the Feds are the only ones who can collect a RUC. But the States hold the ultimate power because they have the infrastructure (vehicle registration portals), data collection upon which to levy a RUC (declaration of km driven at registration) enforcement (withholding of vehicle registration)
I can see the Feds coming to an agreement with the States where the States becoming agents of the Feds to collect the RUC as part of vehicle rego.
National RUC here we come!!
If Utopia has taught me anything this will depend on how close we are to an election hahahaA judgement which was in reality a
3+1 / 1+1+1 is a dogs breakfast.
It puts into question all the other State taxes indicated on page 184
So basically the Feds are the only ones who can collect a RUC. But the States hold the ultimate power because they have the infrastructure (vehicle registration portals), data collection upon which to levy a RUC (declaration of km driven at registration) enforcement (withholding of vehicle registration)
I can see the Feds coming to an agreement with the States where the States becoming agents of the Feds to collect the RUC as part of vehicle rego.
National RUC here we come!!
No, the states will be able to raise the $$& more efficiently than the Feds
The Feds don't have the infrastructure to raise this tax. It will be a new bureaucracy. It has no information on vehicle ownership. It only has VIN numbers.
The Feds don't have visibility into the actual km driven. The States do via vehicle registration
The Feds can't enforce it without additional costs. The States can by simply withholding vehicle registration.
it's trueDon't say that to a local councillor!
I think we had a referendum about it, result being status quo
hopefully a coordinated approach will result
they have to agree first!
it might even help in achieving some rationality on energy policy and pricing - ok, faint hope
AussieOwner
White M3 2021 LR
Vic roads have now issued a statement.
www.vicroads.vic.gov.au
Zero & low emission vehicles road-user charge : VicRoads
Learn more about the road-user charge for Victorian registered zero and low emission vehicles (ZLEVs) coming 1 July 2021.
AussieOwner
White M3 2021 LR
Let’s hope it isn’t pay per use which as I have been saying since this was announced disenfranchises country people.
Id value your thoughts on the possibility that the feds might try another stunt like they did trying to enforce companies compliance to provide data or comply with their "rules" aka Social media company compliance on content.
Could *hypothetically* the feds say to Tesla "we know that you have access to the odometer readings of all of your cars, give it to us or we will have a childish hissy fit and block you from selling your product here"
Obviously they would word it in such a way that EV owners are the scummy evil people getting away with every known advantage on earth compared to normal, peace loving families who dont have EV's and have to pay for the roads we are destroying hahaha... (Sarcasm)
bradjc
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That’s exactly what I meant. The states will go cap in hand to the Feds, saying the Commonwealth needs to now implement this tax, and the states will administer it and collect the money or have it passed through from the Commonwealth to the states.
The cynic in me suspects the VIC government will pass retroactive legislation to protect the revenues they have already received.
I would not hold my breath. There a previous High Court case involving unconstitutional excise duty . (I'm trying to find it) State lost but some money already collected. They didn't have to pay it back upon agreement with the Federal Govt.
srwx
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Scammers. If I get an email offering a refund from the government that isn’t via one of their apps it gets very sceptical treatment
@bradjc
Disagree all you want:
As I said before, the Feds have let the states keep the revenue collected prior to legislation being disallowed. I hope you get your cheque but don't hold your breath....
With interest?. I have a sneaky suspicion that will be a no...
Disagree all you want:
As I said before, the Feds have let the states keep the revenue collected prior to legislation being disallowed. I hope you get your cheque but don't hold your breath....
With interest?. I have a sneaky suspicion that will be a no...
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