State based EV road user charge (Overturned 18/10/23)

[Aussie Scotty]

VICRoads account they are telling people to still pay any noticed of assessment of charges until further notice.

They worded it wrong. They said to continue paying your registration as per usual. Doesn't say pay the Road Usage Charge

 

[PC__LoadLetter]

If federal Labor dares propose saving legislation, it'd need support from the greens or the coalition.

I'm not sure the federal coalition is in the mood right now. Aside from being falsely impugned over a certain other issue of sour grapes, I don't see why they'd give a hoot about protecting Danistan's coffers.

 

[dronus]

They worded it wrong. They said to continue paying your registration as per usual. Doesn't say pay the Road Usage Charge

Yeah i saw them mention that on the Ludicrous feed interview, how good was that!

 

[Quickst]

I'm not sure the federal coalition is in the mood right

It won't have the numbers

 

[dronus]

It won't have the numbers

If fossil fuel keeps going up like it is they are getting plenty of extra tax from there. People seem to just accept that for some reason.

 

[B3AU]

It won't have the numbers

They could always hold another referendum to change the constitution ;-)

 

[Quickst]

If fossil fuel keeps going up like it is they are getting plenty of extra tax from there

I don't think that's true apart from GST. The Fuel excise is not a % of the price at the pump.

 

[Vostok]

I don't think that's true apart from GST. The Fuel excise is not a % of the price at the pump.

Correct. The cents per litre rate is CPI indexed though.

 

[cafz]

They could always hold another referendum to change the constitution ;-)

Why would the Federal Government propose a referendum to reverse a constitutional position that they argued for?

 

[Davemcd]

The $100 rego saving for EV you say be gone soon, they probably replace it with extra for EV's instead

Labor governments push for national road-user charging after Victorian EV decision

Treasurer Tim Pallas says refunds being considered after high court ruled charge was unconstitutional

www.theguardian.com

 

[RareEarth]

They could always hold another referendum to change the constitution ;-)

Imagine the FUD storm if they had a referendum about EV's.

 

[Lachlan Smith]

There is already enough FUD about EV batteries made from devices using a similar type of battery.

 

[AussieOwner]

The Federal Labor Government has already said they wont be pursuing a tax on EV's at a Federal Level.

I believe this was reported in the Guardian on Thursday.

 

[AussieOwner]

The $100 rego saving for EV you say be gone soon, they probably replace it with extra for EV's instead

Labor governments push for national road-user charging after Victorian EV decision

Treasurer Tim Pallas says refunds being considered after high court ruled charge was unconstitutional

www.theguardian.com

I have no doubt the highest taxing state in the nation are already scheming their next way to tax us.

 

[Vostok]

The Federal Labor Government has already said they wont be pursuing a tax on EV's at a Federal Level. I believe this was reported in the Guardian on Thursday.

Um, that’s not what the article said…

On Thursday the treasurer, Jim Chalmers, told reporters the high court decision was “clearly contentious” and would have consequences on revenue at “both levels” of government. “So we want to work with the Victorians and with the other states and territories on policy relating to electric vehicles. And clearly the decision taken by the high court has implications for that and for the commonwealth-state tax mix.”

So the Feds will talk to the states and take a measured approach to this. No decision has been made to either implement or not implement an RUC at Federal level.

Labor governments push for national road-user charging after Victorian EV decision

Treasurer Tim Pallas says refunds being considered after high court ruled charge was unconstitutional

www.theguardian.com

 

[paulp]

Um, that’s not what the article said…

On Thursday the treasurer, Jim Chalmers, told reporters the high court decision was “clearly contentious” and would have consequences on revenue at “both levels” of government. “So we want to work with the Victorians and with the other states and territories on policy relating to electric vehicles. And clearly the decision taken by the high court has implications for that and for the commonwealth-state tax mix.”

So the Feds will talk to the states and take a measured approach to this. No decision has been made to either implement or not implement an RUC at Federal level.

Labor governments push for national road-user charging after Victorian EV decision

Treasurer Tim Pallas says refunds being considered after high court ruled charge was unconstitutional

www.theguardian.com

other than some gst, I cannot see what the revenue consequences were on the feds, unless there is a secret plan to reduce feds state road contributions by the amount of ev tax collected.

 

[AussieOwner]

Um, that’s not what the article said…

On Thursday the treasurer, Jim Chalmers, told reporters the high court decision was “clearly contentious” and would have consequences on revenue at “both levels” of government. “So we want to work with the Victorians and with the other states and territories on policy relating to electric vehicles. And clearly the decision taken by the high court has implications for that and for the commonwealth-state tax mix.”

So the Feds will talk to the states and take a measured approach to this. No decision has been made to either implement or not implement an RUC at Federal level.

Labor governments push for national road-user charging after Victorian EV decision

Treasurer Tim Pallas says refunds being considered after high court ruled charge was unconstitutional

www.theguardian.com

No it wasn’t that article

It was a statement from the minister who said they didn’t have any plans to introduce a tax on EVs because “unlike the liberals we want EVs to succeed “

I’ll see if I can find it

 

[paulp]

No it wasn’t that article

It was a statement from the minister who said they didn’t have any plans to introduce a tax on EVs because “unlike the liberals we want EVs to succeed “

I’ll see if I can find it

You believe what comes from a politicians mouth?

 

[ZeeDoktor]

If we can only influence legislation through legal action in the high court, perhaps someone needs to launch a challenge to enforce the full cost of air pollution caused by ICEs is charged at the pump. That includes contributions to the health care system dealing with lung and cancer problems caused by ICE pollution. If memory serves, this has been estimated to be on order $2k per annum per vehicle.

I would much prefer the carrot approach to this, where those in charge of creating such legislation incentivise EV adoption. Disincentives are always far more contentious and are of questionable moral value. "Thou shalt not" vs. "Try this, it's cool!". Make people want to move forward and give them perceived ownership over the decision by making it a sweet deal.

 

[dronus]

If we can only influence legislation through legal action in the high court, perhaps someone needs to launch a challenge to enforce the full cost of air pollution caused by ICEs is charged at the pump. That includes contributions to the health care system dealing with lung and cancer problems caused by ICE pollution. If memory serves, this has been estimated to be on order $2k per annum per vehicle.

I would much prefer the carrot approach to this, where those in charge of creating such legislation incentivise EV adoption. Disincentives are always far more contentious and are of questionable moral value. "Thou shalt not" vs. "Try this, it's cool!". Make people want to move forward and give them perceived ownership over the decision by making it a sweet deal.

I agree. It would appear that using fear and control is the addiction of power, it’s led to the whole “cancel culture” being normalised.
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