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Yes; there are stretches of the TCH where there is actually nothing. No farms, no corner gas stations, no occasional cottages. Certainly no random power feeds of the right magnitude. Plus they wouldn't want to put that sort of equipment away from some sort of small restaurant/gas station where there are people to watch it. Otherwise, it's too easy for idiots to vandalize. There really isn't an appropriate spot to put anything between Thunder Bay and Upsala except English River, which is too close to TB. Similarly, There is nothing between Wawa and Sault Ste Marie in close to the right place except Bachawana.
Are the SCs along Highway 1 supposed to go live all at the same time?Any update here? Are the SCs along Highway 1 go live all at the same time?
No one from the public knows. Tesla has never (from what I've read or seen) released opening dates for SuperChargers.Are the SCs along Highway 1 supposed to go live all at the same time?
Too late to fix my grammar, so I had to repost. Drove me crazy.
Are you sure about that?No one from the public knows. Tesla has never (from what I've read or seen) released opening dates for SuperChargers.
Chatted with mobile service when car was being worked on, asked about when the path to Thunder Bay from Toronto will be turned on since it looks like everything is in place in a number of the locations. He pulled up a spreadsheet that he just got and asked when I was headed up, I said Dec 12th, he said, don't complain if it is not on, but it looks like you could even leave on the 10th if I wanted. So no guarantees, but looks like Wawa, Sault etc might be turned on by then.
These type of reports are batting below the Mendoza Line historically. I wouldn't put much stock in them.Are you sure about that?
Okay, nobody publicly knows.Are you sure about that?
Stay calmOkay, nobody publicly knows.
There are a lot of claims, but all the observations I've seen is somebody BSing somebody else as if from a point of faux authority on the matter.
Just for the TCH, we've had 4 or 5 theses on what is happening, all shot down so far. Shooting the breeze with a "Tesla guy at location X" so far seems to have little credibility.
Whatever is happening is ridiculous but we don't really know what the plan is.
So far, the guidance that is wrong has come from
Some of the things that they are doing with current builds are also out of the ordinary and are throwing off the crowdsource info:
- Staff at the gas station or business on property
- SC Construction workers
- Electric providers
- Tesla Service Center staff ( <- perhaps the poorest source)
- Newspapers (and the chain that feeds them: Facebook etc.)
- TMC members (including you, me and several others)
Avoiding the island stuff may have merit, but without much effort they could have now had
- Installing the transformer before anything else
- V3 sites are built differently (duh)
- Construction late into the winter months
- Never before have so many SCs been built to the point of "not quite turning them on" as the TCH build
- Tesla never wants to isolate SCs in islands but this TCH buildout is overdoing it.
SSM to Duluth seems to have the least value in this list but I don't understand why they are holding up the rest of the chain for Wawa and Batchawana Bay.
- Calgary to Winnipeg to Fargo (to Council Bluffs IA?)
- SSM to Kenora to Fargo
- SSM over Lake Superior to Duluth
- Duluth to Kenora
- Minneapolis to Seattle
- (lots of other choices)
Tesla is doing something really bizarre that is unprecedented. There are a lot of pissed off Tesla owners and lost sales from this. They are shooting themselves in the foot.
Somebody obviously knows. But nobody that really knows is providing correct information. And it is intentional. And the grand plan is dumb.
Sorry, somebody kicked my dog today. Need another beer.
I know that I'm not buying until the SCs in MB are onI think that they have sold all the cars they want to sell in Canada. So they have determined that if they build enough Super Chargers across Canada and fail to turn them on, it will discourage those pesky all important sales in the pre Christmas season. This will give their staff time to answer the telephones. /s
I think that they have sold all the cars they want to sell in Canada. So they have determined that if they build enough Super Chargers across Canada and fail to turn them on, it will discourage those pesky all important sales in the pre Christmas season. This will give their staff time to answer the telephones. /s
I can't imagine going cross country in any EV but a Tesla. Even using a Tesla today, the trip takes longer and is borderline acceptable to me.If a built, but unpowered supercharger prevents someone from buying a car, the buyer isn't worth fighting for because they aren't thinking rationally and their goals are completely out of alignment with Tesla's. They're better off with dino juice.
Heck, if PetroCanada went to Tesla and said "Look, we just powered up our Chademo/CCS locations, and we're offering them free to people. Give us a month for word of mouth and good will to grow, and we'll open links along the Yellowhead", I would prefer Tesla give them the month. And I won't foreseeably use the Yellowhead. It's just better for everyone, rather than just me/Tesla owners. This is possible because Tesla's goal is adoption of EVs, not their own corporate domination.
Since we have no idea why they aren't on, it only makes sense to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps there's a power problem upstream, perhaps there's some other reason we don't know. But I have a really hard time putting any stock in the idea that Tesla spent millions of dollars, likely 10s of millions of dollars across many, many locations, and is now leaving them powered off just to be spiteful to Canadian owners. These will power up. Again, for me, I've waited several years, another month doesn't really matter much, even if it would be convenient given the timing.
EVs are still new. In planning a trip from Calgary to Miami, I was curious. A Better Route Planner can't find a way to travel that route in anything other than a Tesla. MOST EVs have it far worse than we do even without the Superchargers, and it's not hard to get into a location where superchargers won't be helpful. It's harder all the time, but it's still true. So if people NEED a supercharger, they shouldn't be buying an EV for the next several years.
The NEED for myself has to do with a few factors:If a built, but unpowered supercharger prevents someone from buying a car, the buyer isn't worth fighting for because they aren't thinking rationally and their goals are completely out of alignment with Tesla's. They're better off with dino juice.
Heck, if PetroCanada went to Tesla and said "Look, we just powered up our Chademo/CCS locations, and we're offering them free to people. Give us a month for word of mouth and good will to grow, and we'll open links along the Yellowhead", I would prefer Tesla give them the month. And I won't foreseeably use the Yellowhead. It's just better for everyone, rather than just me/Tesla owners. This is possible because Tesla's goal is adoption of EVs, not their own corporate domination.
Since we have no idea why they aren't on, it only makes sense to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps there's a power problem upstream, perhaps there's some other reason we don't know. But I have a really hard time putting any stock in the idea that Tesla spent millions of dollars, likely 10s of millions of dollars across many, many locations, and is now leaving them powered off just to be spiteful to Canadian owners. These will power up. Again, for me, I've waited several years, another month doesn't really matter much, even if it would be convenient given the timing.
EVs are still new. In planning a trip from Calgary to Miami, I was curious. A Better Route Planner can't find a way to travel that route in anything other than a Tesla. MOST EVs have it far worse than we do even without the Superchargers, and it's not hard to get into a location where superchargers won't be helpful. It's harder all the time, but it's still true. So if people NEED a supercharger, they shouldn't be buying an EV for the next several years.
I know that I'm not buying until the SCs in MB are on
PLUS EV: Stay Calm.If a built, but unpowered supercharger prevents someone from buying a car, the buyer isn't worth fighting for because they aren't thinking rationally and their goals are completely out of alignment with Tesla's. They're better off with dino juice.
Heck, if PetroCanada went to Tesla and said "Look, we just powered up our Chademo/CCS locations, and we're offering them free to people. Give us a month for word of mouth and good will to grow, and we'll open links along the Yellowhead", I would prefer Tesla give them the month. And I won't foreseeably use the Yellowhead. It's just better for everyone, rather than just me/Tesla owners. This is possible because Tesla's goal is adoption of EVs, not their own corporate domination.
Since we have no idea why they aren't on, it only makes sense to give Tesla the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps there's a power problem upstream, perhaps there's some other reason we don't know. But I have a really hard time putting any stock in the idea that Tesla spent millions of dollars, likely 10s of millions of dollars across many, many locations, and is now leaving them powered off just to be spiteful to Canadian owners. These will power up. Again, for me, I've waited several years, another month doesn't really matter much, even if it would be convenient given the timing.
EVs are still new. In planning a trip from Calgary to Miami, I was curious. A Better Route Planner can't find a way to travel that route in anything other than a Tesla. MOST EVs have it far worse than we do even without the Superchargers, and it's not hard to get into a location where superchargers won't be helpful. It's harder all the time, but it's still true. So if people NEED a supercharger, they shouldn't be buying an EV for the next several years.
PLUS EV: Stay Calm.
All those under construction is definitely an anomaly. Maybe something to do with permitting.View attachment 484281