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Superchargers in New Zealand

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by AudubonB, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. AudubonB

    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    #1 AudubonB, Jan 4, 2015
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    Have any of you NZ Tesla enthusiasts - SteveWest, JohnWill, PeterW and others - spent any amusing or frustrating time conceptualizing where a Supercharger network in NZ might be emplaced? Rule-of-thumb criteria can include factors like:
    1. 250km spacing is about right
    2. access to high-amperage electricity is mandatory
    3. in more open-country locations like much of the US, locations away from urban centers dominates, but in densely populated parts of the planet, like Shanghai, London and Tokyo, intra-urban sites are more common.

    I've given a few moments' thought as to where on the South Island a SpC grid might be located, but it's been years - several decades, actually - since I've spent time on North Island other than Wellington and Auckland.

    The avoided #4., above, is that for obvious reasons Tesla understandably have little impetus to emplace any SpCs other than where its vehicles already exist....I've not been able to make much interest in their positioning them throughout Alaska in the hopes of thereupon being able to entice owners to drive here.
     
  2. Chuq

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    Enthusiast from the other side of the Tasman here!

    How does this look for a "stage 1"?
    I've gone with max distances of 170-180km, with a little lower in the windy/hilly areas.

    Locations are (mostly) in a straight line:

    North Island - Auckland, Tirau, Turangi, Sanson, Wellington
    South Island - Nelson, Picton, Kaikoura, Christchurch, Timaru, Palmerston, Milton, Invercargill - plus Alexandria

    I notice Palmerston, Milton and Alexandria make a perfectly spaced little triangle around Dunedin and Queenstown!

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    Some of your locations are good, however you have some in the Major Cities. While this will happen eventually, Wellington, for example, would not make my list initially and I would rather present Tesla with a rollout plan that maximises their resources and works best for the majority of customers. So, I know this is early and if there are any Kiwi’s out there that could improve on the plan then please do. Tesla when you do get here please pay attention.

    Here are my thoughts on where to place the first batch of Supercharger stations basically in Chronological order.

    Firstly I understand that Tesla will have a Service Centre (prob in Auckland) and they would naturally have some stalls there.

    After that the first place I would add would be Taupo. Taupo is a major junction and is less than 300km from Auckland Central so is in reach (I will only refer to accessibility based on the 85 kWh pack) from basically the greater Auckland area. So all these scenarios are now possible with one Station: Auckland to Hawkes Bay, Auckland to Wanganui, Auckland to Palmerston North and all vice-versa.

    Taupo to Wellington is doable but not always comfortable and the other way round is probably not advisable so, if you look at the map provided by Chuq, you will see a dot about 20-30kms north-west of Palmerston North and that is where the next station should go. Reasons are that Bulls or Sanson (that is the 2 little towns we are talking about)
    are: at a major junction
    still on State Highway one and link Wellington to Taupo, so make Auckland to Wellington easy
    links Wellington to Taranaki
    is about 150km from Wellington
    So Wellington, if you want to go to Taupo, skiing up the mountains, to Wanganui or New Plymouth you have to go through Sanson and Bulls.
    The 150km is important to as if you are only around 150km from home and you need to charge (because you may not) then the most time you need to stop is 20mins to safely get home.

    Next, assuming there are enough South Island customers, I would look at something like Timaru. Timaru links Christchurch and Queenstown and makes day trips between Christchurch and Dunedin Possible.

    After that we need to go back to our major population areas the put one between Auckland the Tauranga. I would look at Morrinsville. I was looking at Paeroa or Waihi but via Morrinsville is about the same distance and put Rotorua in mix also.

    Next is between Wellington and the Hawkes bay. Woodville is the best spot.

    And last on my obvious list is somewhere between Auckland and New Plymouth that accommodates for people from the North who want to head up the mountain(say to Ohakune). My best guess, and I am open to anyone who can suggest better, is Te Kuiti.

    So there is my initial list. I will leave the South Island for those who live there, thou Supercharging stations will not come there at a great rate initially. Yes I did not put anything north of Auckland and perhaps some would argue that should come earlier than others I have listed (it would be next on my list), however Auckland to Whangarei is a day trip without charging.

    I have done 5 locations in the North Island that I believe gives the best return for the majority of situations, please tell me what you think.

    Oh, I would like support for my first 2 locations. If you were going to start with 2 it is those 2 in those locations(Taupo and Sanson/Bulls). When Tesla do get here I want them to do it right.
     
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    Well, as I type this I am hosting some of my Dunedin family (we're in Tucson AZ tonight), and they heartily approve of the MiltonHilton SpC site as well as Alex. and Palmerston. They're suggesting for the SI's west coast, you would want, from Nelson south, Murchison, Greymouth, Ross, FranzJosef/Haast, then going over the Pass, in Wanaka. Also Te Anau; that leaves just what to do about Queenstown and the folks who go there rather than to Wanaka....lots go to Te Anau and west coast - they don't go through Wanaka...
     
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    I think main centres first is the right way to grow a Supercharger network. It's not always about en route travel. Besides it's equally important to have something to do while the car is charging. Some small towns don't offer much.

    For example I wouldn't put one in Morrinsville or Cambridge based on distance. Auckland to Taupo is doable on a single charge but I'd place them in Auckland, Hamilton, Tauranga Rotorua and Taupo. Then you'd have the whole area covered for those travelling across the area as well as those travelling around within the area.
     
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    #13 mike_j, Nov 21, 2016
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    Assuming a supercharger at the Auckland SC, and spacing them about 150km...

    I get Tirau, turangi, and Bulls as ideal spacings.

    Suits the ski run, Rotorua, New Plymouth.

    The only place that's a slight stretch is Napier/Hastings
     
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    Great thinking, I just checked my spreadsheet and found I had the same, except Sanson instead of Bulls (6.5km away)!
     
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    #15 mike_j, Nov 21, 2016
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    Bulls -> Turangi is the worry 172km, big elevation gain and possible snowing at turangi.

    Would be worth running that one through evtriplanner.

    Perhaps Hunterville. Shortens the leg to 138km, but given freezing temps and elevation, would be safe, and leaves 183km to Wellington
     
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    Spacing is usually 180-200km. 150km is a bit short. As you mentioned though, elevation can be an issue, on the other hand speeds are generally lower even than Australia.
     
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    Bulls to Turangi NZ is 172.4KM with an elevation of 327 metres and with climate set to 22 Deg C and outside at 0 Deg C EVtripplanner suggests I will use 37.8 Kw h or 203 rated kilometers. It would have to be pretty atrocious weather not to make it.
     
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    #19 meloccom, Dec 17, 2016
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    Modera Note:
    Now that New Zealand Superchargers are official I am making this tread sticky.
     
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    I think you need to put new batteries into your keyboard. That or get closer to your wireless interface device
     
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