electronblue
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Just treat it like KickStarter. Decide what your willing to pay (and risk) before diving in.
Indiegogo is better as they allow full risk for the buyer.
Maybe after the stores close, Tesla sells cars on Indiegogo?
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Just treat it like KickStarter. Decide what your willing to pay (and risk) before diving in.
TACC doesn't count?Oct 2014 was the start of HW, Oct 2015 was the first version of software.
TACC doesn't count?
They started building cars with AP1 hardware in September, 2014. Some time around the middle of the month. The software update that enabled TACC was in October. But yes, autosteer didn't appear until a year later.Oh, I didn't realize it had that. 2015 was the first blog post I saw about AP.
(I do like the Level 1 TACC on our Ford)
Oh, I didn't realize it had that. 2015 was the first blog post I saw about AP.
(I do like the Level 1 TACC on our Ford)
They started building cars with AP1 hardware in September, 2014. Some time around the middle of the month. The software update that enabled TACC was in October. But yes, autosteer didn't appear until a year later.
My concern is that they are stating the HW2.5 is essentially advanced enough to handle FSD in the future.
We now have official confirmation in writing from a Tesla rep that FSD purchasers will indeed get the AP3 chip for free:
That does seem to be a confirmation, but on the other hand the wording there says "If [you] have purchased FSD, we will install it and enable it..." What is "it" exactly? FSD? Or the new chip? There is a small space for them to squeeze themselves through there, if they find they need to. Tesla has squeezed through smaller spaces in the past successfully.
Problem I have with the current, low-priced "FSD" is that if you purchase it, you subscribe to the new description of it, not the old lvl 5.
But... you still get Full Self Driving! It says it right there on the description! Full! Self! Driving!
This just happens to now be defined as an L2 driver assistance feature. Let me point out the apologist's answer to this and then preemptively refute it: "But it only starts as L2, until they refine it and gain confidence and regulatory approval, and then it will be L5." Well the problem with that is that they are not longer making any promises whatsoever about that. You are not buying an L5-capable system when you order FSD today. You are buying an L2 system with some slight chance that maybe if everything goes really well you might be able to read a book while it drives you to work -- eventually, years down the road, well after other companies have already released their LiDAR-based L4 vehicles, and there's only a chance of this happening, no guarantees. But I bet that in Elon's mind, when he talks about falling asleep in a Tesla -- and I'm talking even in Elon's optimistic, unrealistic mind here -- he is envisioning that happening in a future Tesla model, not current vehicles for current purchasers. For him there is no difference; not so for the people currently funding the company with their hard-earned dollars.
If you believe Tesla can achieve this in a reasonable time frame for existing AP2 vehicles, you are far, far better off investing your $2k in Tesla stock. If they do this the stock will easily double and you will be able to afford the upgrade price at that time.
Let me point out the apologist's answer to this and then preemptively refute it: "But it only starts as L2, until they refine it and gain confidence and regulatory approval, and then it will be L5." Well the problem with that is that they are not longer making any promises whatsoever about that..
Also, i'll point you to the Model Y presentation last night to quote Elon: "Just with software upgrades" : Feature complete
That pretty much kills the idea of a HW retrofit this year, and probably forever after all the stupid wording changes on the order / delivery page.
'we now have a written promise from Tesla (not Musk) that FSD buyers will get the AP3 chip as soon as they finish testing it.
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Did I miss a memo somewhere? Where is this written? And Tesla had written / blogged a few things that have never come to pass.
I posted it a few posts up. Here it is again. It's a written email from Tesla to a customer:
If we are taking Tesla supper emails as facts, I guess I need to run on butt to the SC for my hardware upgrade...
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Also, i'll point you to the Model Y presentation last night to quote Elon: "Just with software upgrades" : Feature complete
That pretty much kills the idea of a HW retrofit this year, and probably forever after all the stupid wording changes on the order / delivery page.