ModelNforNerd
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The real answer is the $16k Corolla.
But then your friends might see you in it.
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The real answer is the $16k Corolla.
I received my a box from my bank in the mail, and it was full of Reality Checks.
Let me guess, you just have an ATM card and forgot the PIN?
I'll write you one. The big range EV a year from now will likely be a Tesla, but it won't be a Model 3.
The range of the 2018 Bolt or other mid priced EV's released for 2018 is totally unknown.
The status of the CCS and CHAdeMO flyover routes is unknown as is the miles per minute.
If I could go 300 miles in a $50k Model 3, then why would I seriously consider a Model S?
I like the idea of the Model 3 and I hope it is everything that Musk promised.
However, given the history of Tesla living up to promises and the fact that we STILL have not seen a working example of the car that will be available for sale or even details about the various options and configurations, I have a hard time understanding how people can bash the Bolt (a vehicle that I've driven and is being sold right now) as being a "compliance car".
Until there is a Model 3 that I can sit in, drive and configure, I can't say a dang thing about the Model 3. It's simply a bunch of promises and speculation at this point. And supplier issues harken back to issues that caused serious delays with the last vehicle Tesla launched.
When I can test drive a Model 3, I'll be happy to change my opinion.
First of all you are the one first one bringing the compliance car straw man.I like the idea of the Model 3 and I hope it is everything that Musk promised.
However, given the history of Tesla living up to promises and the fact that we STILL have not seen a working example of the car that will be available for sale or even details about the various options and configurations, I have a hard time understanding how people can bash the Bolt (a vehicle that I've driven and is being sold right now) as being a "compliance car". Musk can say that he's going to sell hundreds o thousands of Model 3s, but at this point there is absolutely no evidence that Tesla can scale up at that level. So pointing to projected sales volumes for a car that is actually in production and saying "compliance car" is a bit of a red herring when you are trying to tell me that Tesla, a company known for setting unrealistic expectations, is going to do something it's never done before...
Until there is a Model 3 that I can sit in, drive and configure, I can't say a dang thing about the Model 3. It's simply a bunch of promises and speculation at this point. And supplier issues harken back to issues that caused serious delays with the last vehicle Tesla launched.
When I can test drive a Model 3, I'll be happy to change my opinion.
Until there is a Model 3 that I can sit in, drive and configure, I can't say a dang thing about the Model 3.
I hereby challenge you to a 1,500 mile Cannonball Run style race. Model 3 vs. Bolt.
And no, not just "road time"....charging time will be included.
Over a 1,500 mile journey, a Model 3 should beat a Bolt by....well....a day or so?
to charge a 60kWh pack from almost 0% every "238 miles" is going to be very time consuming.
Ready Set Go! Any EV sold today might win by about 11 months, best guess. But I'd beat all of them.
It must be funny for those who followed Tesla from the beginning, and put a deposit down on a Model S when it was just a concept, to read posts like this. They had real concerns if they'd get anything and if it would ever, in fact, exist.
First of all you are the one first one bringing the compliance car straw man.
Second of all, your logic is completely flawed: if a car is a compliance car, the Model 3 coming later does not change that. For example the Spark EV was available 3 years ago, does the Model 3 not being out yet make it any less of a compliance car?
Third of all, Tesla has ~400k paid resevations for the Model 3. Their current production rate is just shy of 100k per year as of Q4 2016. So even if they just maintain the current production rate as the ModelS/X for the Model 3, they can easily beat whatever GM is doing.
5 years ago wasn't "the early days."My job involves working with Tesla suppliers. This might have been bad 5 years ago in the early days, but not any more. They have a lot of other people they can go to if one supplier doesn't work out.
So imagine how Roadster owners feel . Early owners put down $100k on faith. No car to see, no idea when it would be delivered or if the company would even survive.
I wouldn't say the Bolt (or any other long range EV) can be out for a decade and it wouldn't impact the 3. Nor would I say that they're entirely different segments. Plenty of shoppers, myself included, could cross-shop a Bolt of other longer range EV depending on how the 3 turns out.I'm glad you're happy with your car. Everyone should be happy with the car they own. But your antics are getting old. The Bolt can be out for an entire decade and it won't affect the Model 3. Repeat after me; they are two entirely different vehicles pointed at entirely different segments AND any cross shopping that may occur is actually direct competition to ICE cars in either of the segments. Now let it go.
Fair point on my first point, but think you missed my third point. The fact of the matter is the projected volume of the Bolt (30k-50k) is well below what Tesla has demonstrated they can build (100k), much less the projected (~300k Model 3 by 2020).Perhaps you need to go back to the start of this topic. The second post is the one that brought up the compliance car "straw man".
Second, my point was not about compliance cars. I was simply addressing an earlier post that thrust that red herring into the discussion. I think GM is doing the prudent thing in keeping production in line with expected sales and don't see the Bolt as being a "compliance car."
Third, you seem to have missed the point of my post. Paid reservations are great, but they can be cancelled and the real issues are (i) whether Tesla can scale up successfully and (ii) whether a Model 3 will even be available for consumer test drives and configurations in the near future. The fact is that we have NOT seen what the production Model 3 looks like or how it can be configured, while Bolts are actually being sold right now.
I've driven a Bolt. I haven't even seen a working model of the production version of the Model 3. Get it?
We also went from a Prius to Tesla, with another electric in the stable for about 3 years:That makes sense: I bought a Prius in 2004. Ordered it in November of 2003 when the first reviews of the 2004 model came out, and took delivery two months later, in January. I bought it for being super-ultra-low emissions (SULEV) and gas-efficient, and because I liked the radical technology. The Prius led me to full-electric driving because I loved it so much when it went into EV mode, and wanted a car that would be pure electric.
So the Prius really did lead me to my Tesla, although Tesla was not yet making cars, and I drove the Zap Xebra for 4 years, from 2006 to 2010. But it was the little taste of electric driving in the Prius that set me on this path. I'll bet I'm not the only one who went from Prius to Tesla for exactly that reason. Prius gave us a taste of what driving could be. Tesla showed us what it could really be. And now I'm looking forward to the added safety of the Model 3.
5 years ago wasn't "the early days."
Fair point on my first point, but think you missed my third point. The fact of the matter is the projected volume of the Bolt (30k-50k) is well below what Tesla has demonstrated they can build (100k), much less the projected (~300k Model 3 by 2020).
My point about reservations is they have the demand (while GM may not, even if they get their production up). Even if half of the reservations cancel (unlikely), it'll still take GM 4-6 years to catch up.
You are saying things as if the Model 3 is Tesla's first volume EV.