Tesla EV Tax Credits coming back?

[nwdiver]

most low income level people do not have single family home or town homes. Most live in an apartment complex type which do not have that capability. what about long distance trip? Public charging and superchargers cost are getting more expensive, and they don't save much when compare to gas prices.

Supercharger Station Price Increases

I always laughed at the people that complained about per-minute billing at the Supercharger stations. As noted, the per-minute rates were MUCH lower than the per-kWh rates, at least if you didn’t try to do a 100% charge. Oh well, people got what they asked for, higher costs at the Supercharger...

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The solution to that is to get charging at apartment complexes. $7.5B was just made available for that purpose.

On a long distance trip most people are stopping every ~3 hours anyway. That's ~200 miles of driving not 400.

 

[nate704]

The solution to that is to get charging at apartment complexes. $7.5B was just made available for that purpose.

On a long distance trip most people are stopping every ~3 hours anyway. That's ~200 miles of driving not 400.

Those apartments, especially low income housings in big cities like NYC don’t event have enough parking spots for all residents. It sounds great that we, the tax payer funded $7.5B or whatever, but they don’t even have clear path forward or legitimate plans how and where to use it. Solution on paper doesn’t mean it will happen.
I’m also wondering if used Leaf or Bolt can travel 200 miles without stopping while carrying 4 people with full load of cargo?

 

[ElectricIAC]

The solution to that is to get charging at apartment complexes. $7.5B was just made available for that purpose.

On a long distance trip most people are stopping every ~3 hours anyway. That's ~200 miles of driving not 400.

Not sure if you noticed, but with the latest Bolt debacle a lot of apartments are putting their foot down and saying no to on-site charging..

 

[nwdiver]

Those apartments, especially low income housings in big cities like NYC don’t event have enough parking spots for all residents. It sounds great that we, the tax payer funded $7.5B or whatever, but they don’t even have clear path forward or legitimate plans how and where to use it.

The funds are already approved. It's a 80% grant. The cars are parked somewhere... that's where the charging stations should go.

 

[nate704]

The funds are already approved. It's a 80% grant. The cars are parked somewhere... that's where the charging stations should go.

Have you been to NYC?? Lol

 

[nwdiver]

Have you been to NYC?? Lol

Yes. Should be SUPER-easy to put a charger at every parking spot. What is that? 6, 7 chargers?

 

[ElectricIAC]

Yes. Should be SUPER-easy to put a charger at every parking spot. What is that? 6, 7 chargers?

After you get through the red tape (3-6 years later) and figure out that the transformer (That ConEd won’t replace) won’t handle the additional load.

Don’t even get started on alternate side parking and all the other quirks of NYC parking.

 

[FlatSix911]

Thank goodness that the Senate is attempting to bring back some sanity to the bill and remove the union clause.

US Senate is considering changes to extra $4,500 incentive for electric vehicles built at union factories

The US Senate is reportedly considering changes to the extra $4,500 incentive for electric vehicles built at union factories in...

electrek.co

Bloomberg reported that Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) confirmed that the union clause will be discussed as part of a review this week:

A package of tax credits including a proposal by Democrats to offer an additional $4,500 in tax credits to the buyers of electric vehicles manufactured by American plants that are unionized will undergo a review by the Senate Parliamentarian this week, Sen. Ben Cardin said in an interview.

"Both Canada and Mexico have stated that they believe the extra incentive for electric vehicles built by union workers at US factories violates the renegotiated NAFTA trade agreement, which is now called the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or the USMCA.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has also voiced his opposition to the new EV tax credit. At first, he expressed that the union clause was purposefully leaving Tesla out of the maximum incentive possible since the automaker’s workforce in the US is not unionized. More recently, the CEO opined that the whole Build Back Better act should be dropped because he feels it will cause a significant increase in the federal deficit."

 

[ElectricIAC]

Thank goodness that the Senate is attempting to bring back some sanity to the bill and remove the union clause.

US Senate is considering changes to extra $4,500 incentive for electric vehicles built at union factories

The US Senate is reportedly considering changes to the extra $4,500 incentive for electric vehicles built at union factories in...

electrek.co

Bloomberg reported that Senator Ben Cardin (D-MD) confirmed that the union clause will be discussed as part of a review this week:

"Both Canada and Mexico have stated that they believe the extra incentive for electric vehicles built by union workers at US factories violates the renegotiated NAFTA trade agreement, which is now called the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or the USMCA.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has also voiced his opposition to the new EV tax credit. At first, he expressed that the union clause was purposefully leaving Tesla out of the maximum incentive possible since the automaker’s workforce in the US is not unionized. More recently, the CEO opined that the whole Build Back Better act should be dropped because he feels it will cause a significant increase in the federal deficit."

Based as he is, Elon has his own motives for being anti-triple B: And that’s okay. He’s entitled to his opinion.

 

[nwdiver]

Not sure if you noticed, but with the latest Bolt debacle a lot of apartments are putting their foot down and saying no to on-site charging..

That will last as long as it takes for someone to challenge it in court and show that fools fuel powered vehicles are ~11x more likely to cause a fire.

 

[nwdiver]

After you get through the red tape (3-6 years later) and figure out that the transformer (That ConEd won’t replace) won’t handle the additional load.

All the more reason to get started yesterday. What exactly is your point? We should just give up and live with this pathetic addition to fools fuel? Are there things that need to get upgraded? Maybe? Does that mean we just give up?

We went from our grid powering a light bulb per house and increased it ~1000%. I think we can find a way to increase it another ~10%. What do you think is more productive? Doing things that need to get done or whining about often imaginary obstacles?

 

[ElectricIAC]

That will last as long as it takes for someone to challenge it in court and show that fools fuel powered vehicles are ~11x more likely to cause a fire.

You and I know that but public perception is what the media makes of it, unfortunately.

 

[nwdiver]

You and I know that but public perception is what the media makes of it, unfortunately.

That's why it may take a court. Nice thing about courts is that they require stuff like 'facts' and 'evidence'. Apartment management isn't going to have a leg to stand on allowing vehicles ~11x more likely to cause the problem they're supposedly avoiding by banning EVs

 

[ElectricIAC]

All the more reason to get started yesterday. What exactly is your point? We should just give up and live with this pathetic addition to fools fuel? Are there things that need to get upgraded? Maybe? Does that mean we just give up?

We went from our grid powering a light bulb per house and increased it ~1000%. I think we can find a way to increase it another ~10%. What do you think is more productive? Doing things that need to get done or whining about often imaginary obstacles?

I’m all for beefing up the public charging infrastructure (slow and fast) and have cited on numerous occasions that if you build it, they will come.

 

[advocate8]

Based as he is, Elon has his own motives for being anti-triple B: And that’s okay. He’s entitled to his opinion.

He was pretty quiet about the tax cuts that caused the deficit he described so luridly in the interview this week.

 

[doomsday997]

The funds are already approved. It's a 80% grant. The cars are parked somewhere... that's where the charging stations should go.

Lol I don’t think you know what you are talking about here or how parking in NYC works…

 

[hikeleader]

What color interior?

Black

 

[hikeleader]

18 inch???

Sorry, no 19".was thinking about my M3 I guess!

 

[Sexy_owner]

Lol I don’t think you know what you are talking about here or how parking in NYC works…

I think we can follow the Citi Bike program as an example and take up a few parking spots...Of course Idle fees should be very high to encourage high turnovers...

 

[ElectricIAC]

I think we can follow the Citi Bike program as an example and take up a few parking spots...Of course Idle fees should be very high to encourage high turnovers...

Curbside superchargers?