Yeah, European/Chinese demand is almost filled, so they will probably start driving off somewhere in the North Atlantic to be sure no one sees.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Yeah, European/Chinese demand is almost filled, so they will probably start driving off somewhere in the North Atlantic to be sure no one sees.
This one spins me. First thought it was real and I was concerned. How can this not ramp now, I thought? What about all the people I met in line last year?
My next thought was that this confusion was a byproduct of a market survey - a device to measure demand covertly - If you didn't have to wait for delivery, how many could they sell?
When this stock goes crazy, I come here and everyone lines up the facts and all is clear. Not this time... must be something brewing.
By the way, where are we building Model Y and how long before one rolls off the line. (SWAG based on previous models? Thanks.)
Confused but bought again today anyway.
It's sell through a dealer, owned or not. It might violate the Constitution, but you have to prove it in court 52 times, and then through the Federal court system, and if it gets to the Supreme Court, with the climate deniers they're likely to favour the dealer associations just to kill Tesla. And even if the decision falls in Tesla's favour, it's a Phyrric victory.
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Village Idiot
What makes you so confident that was the bottom? One bad tweet and it could drop 20 points.Timing the bottom is tough, isn't it?I feel good with my call buy at a SP of ~$273-274. Could have been lower, but I'll take it!
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
Yeah, I talking about unrestrained growth in carbon emissions. The US thumbs its nose at the Paris Accord. #EXXONKNEW
"Feel good with" != "Have the psychic powers to know where the bottom is with certainty"
Also it was for April. Lastly: One good tweet and it could pop 20 points; it goes both ways. 
Dan Detweiler
Active Member
The way the market seems to work, one GREAT tweet and the price could drop 20 points. Short term focus is an exercise in futility the way the market thinks about this company. Look 5 years out...not 5 minutes.
Dan
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
Unless something changed there is another 566 million due in November. So no, not all of the debt obligations are fulfilled. I commented that banks hold Tesla debt and I'm pretty sure that's still the case. Most of the bondholders are, I believe, institutional investors and banks.
Ummm. "I got my car auto delivered with 2,000 miles on it". It's remotely possible there will be some complaintsI wonder how much Tesla will be able to save on shipping when the cars can just drive themselves to their owners right out of the factory....
i use both Schwab and Excel formula
@Artful Dodger i do not know how to interpret
5 day oscillator of Accum/ Dist line
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Bet TSLA
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Great! But I think calling about five nodes (total guess) a "network", while technically correct, sounds a bit grandiose.
Voluntarily building a new Supercharger network on an island of 338k people is exactly what a company desperate for cash would do.
Jokes aside, that's great news for you! Should be a small but sales dense market for them.
Right, but the key thing I’m talking about is selling directly online, without any dealer involved. That’d be awfully difficult to stop and there’s no such ban(as far as I can see) on the books in any state.
ZachF
Active Member
Ummm. "I got my car auto delivered with 2,000 miles on it". It's remotely possible there will be some complaints
EV drivetrains are so much more reliable than ICE ones that time/age will be a bigger factor on wear or depreciation than mileage.
adiggs
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The way I understand it (and IANAL), this all has its origin in contract law - the car makers and the car dealers have agreed contractually to limitations on what car makers can and can't do. The car dealers, realizing that contracts expire and can be changed (and maybe realizing that new car makers haven't also signed on to the cozy relationship), have also managed to get this relationship written into state laws as well.
It varies state to state - the most typical expression of the relationship is sort of like "if you have franchised dealers as a car maker, then you can only sell through franchised dealers". In a few states, a few words were artfully dropped, and it got turned into "you can only sell through franchised dealers" (which is why Tesla doesn't have a retail, and in some cases educational, service, or any other presence in those states).
Many of us believe that if Tesla keeps pushing on those laws, the eventual conclusion of these more extreme variants is that they will be ruled unconstitutional.
A reasonable question for Tesla to ask of itself is whether it wants to spend money on lawyers and lobbyists trying to change these franchise laws that the rest of the auto makers have hung about their necks. If Tesla can sell cars effectively in the US via online web ordering / sales, at least for the next few years, maybe Tesla lets the dealerships and the rest of the car dealers hang with their franchise laws and see how far Tesla can go without spending money or energy on it.
For my own part, I kind of like this point of view. There are enough states with sufficient flexibility in their car sales laws to allow Tesla room to operate.
And yes, the restraint on trade represented by the car dealership / franchise laws is kind of obnoxious in a free market. I totally agree with you on that. There's some reason for the beginning of the laws - the car makers were pretty obnoxious in the early days of the car market and the laws were formulated to protect dealers from the manufacturers. Like any good batch of laws though, they were captured and turned from shields into weapons for insuring market position for car dealers. (that's how I see it anyway)
@Artful Dodger
here's how to calc Accum/dist line and oscillator (col S) CLV is raw num Accum/Dist is just sum of CLV over time it's moving up but got trashed recently. Schwab will do calcs for you BUT its nice to verify SO
i get raw data from NASDAQ....... but acting upon it is a mystery to me apparently, eh.
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Mad@gascar
Teslanaire Extraordinaire
And Teslas will drive themselves to potential customers to offer a test drive!I wonder how much Tesla will be able to save on shipping when the cars can just drive themselves to their owners right out of the factory....
I believe some states block Tesla from opening service centers, and New Mexico is one. That remains a serious barrier to online sales, even if they can deliver a car to your doorstep. Ranger service is available from neighboring states but not a great solution.
Great! But I think calling about five nodes (total guess) a "network", while technically correct, sounds a bit grandiose.
It takes about 15 hours to drive around the country nonstop. Low speed limit, but mountainous, snowy for a good chunk of the year, extreme wind storms, and spread out geographically.
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