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By "this number" you mean 17,400, not 2,900 right? I mean the pack supply does not limit them from hitting 2,900 a week... It limits them from hitting 2,900 a week for multiple weeks. :D

(I am curious what the ramp will look like)

No, I meant 2,900. I'm convinced it is impossible to build 2,900 cars per week from the get-go, even if there are enough battery packs on site.
 
Any locals know what labour cost/availability would be like for a project of this scale in Quebec?
The other positive is very high renewable energy % in parts of Quebec.

All of Quebec is 99.8% renewable, mostly hydro.

Labour cost is very competitive here with a comparatively low cost of living, but availability is currently an issue here with a severe shortage of manpower. It is so bad that many small businesses are forced to shut down.

The provincial minister of industry has disclosed last month that they are talking to Tesla about setting up a battery plant here ("rather than in Ontario") but he simply said that he might visit them next January while going to the Consumer Electronic Show. That does not sound very substantial to me.
 
Also remember that in the EU you don't just look at ZEVs. It's fleet efficiency, not a ZEV credit target.
Plus there are some multipliers and fudge factors that help them.

So, watch out for a rash of new models with varying degrees of electrification that will all work to raise the fleet average efficiency and reduce credit purchases over time.
Yep, although
1) FCA’s problem is so bad that hybrid-scale emission reductions may not help appreciably
2) They actually have to SELL these new models to have them count toward penalty reductions.

As you point out, there are other complications like “supercredits” (the model takes those into account). When/if I show some results, I’ll try to be thorough in listing assumptions and limitations, and we can all discuss changes/additions.
 
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FC is an early NeuraLink candidate running HiveMindOS v1.1 with a cadre of other specialists. Shhh, don't tell anyone!

I think it’s rude to speculate on forum posters’ personal details, but I will point out that it’s incredibly hard to mimic another person’s writing style, especially in medium-to-long-form, colloquial text like you find in a forum like this. (It’s not like a corporate email or a tweet.) Also a big reason that the “FC is Elon” meme doesn’t hold water.
 
All of Quebec is 99.8% renewable, mostly hydro.

Labour cost is very competitive here with a comparatively low cost of living, but availability is currently an issue here with a severe shortage of manpower. It is so bad that many small businesses are forced to shut down.

The provincial minister of industry has disclosed last month that they are talking to Tesla about setting up a battery plant here ("rather than in Ontario") but he simply said that he might visit them next January while going to the Consumer Electronic Show. That does not sound very substantial to me.

So that seems to mean, let me throw out a big, relevant business name in hopes it’ll attract new people to my province.

Is there a hub in Quebec that is already growing/developing tech; like a Google, FB etc... headquarters?
 
No, I meant 2,900. I'm convinced it is impossible to build 2,900 cars per week from the get-go, even if there are enough battery packs on site.

I may be suffering form a lack of coffee, we agree that packs are not the limiting factor for making 2,900 in a week?

Regarding hitting 2,900 a week soon. Given this is an iteration on the existing 6k+ 3 line at Fremont, I'm wondering why they couldn't hit 2,900 from the start (baring supply chain issues). They've built cars already, so if the Takt times is quick enough on the slowest step, they could start at that rate.
Purely theoretically, of course. No reason to start out at top speed if if sacrifices quality, but if it doesn't... (then they run out of pack and we get negative headlines.)
 
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I think it’s rude to speculate on forum posters’ personal details, but I will point out that it’s incredibly hard to mimic another person’s writing style, especially in medium-to-long-form, colloquial text like you find in a forum like this. (It’s not like a corporate email or a tweet.) Also a big reason that the “FC is Elon” meme doesn’t hold water.

All in good fun and praise on my part. Just like speculating that Karen is an AI. No one should share personal details on a public forum that will be public forever on the Internet. Even if you don't mind now, you may in the future.
 
Here is the yearly range from 2012 for the Model S given Musk's prediction of a 5% average yearly range increase.

2012 - 265
2013 - 278
2014 - 292
2015 - 306
2016 - 322
2017 - 338
2018 - 355
2019 - 373

Now, go to Tesla's website and look at the current range estimate for the Model S (I'll give you a hint if you don't already know or don't feel like looking - it's a number between 372 and 374 ;)).

This doesn't bode well for when the roadster will get produced.... ;)
 
Yes, I do. First, it's not like the majors are starting at ground zero right now. They already have programs well underway and both companies have produced various EVs. But more than anything, the major auto makers have tons of money to throw at the problem and tons of experience in making cars. Look at the troubles Tesla had trying to ramp up production of the model 3. The difference is if GM or BMW have a delay in ramping production of a new model, they have no fear of running out of money and going out of business... in fact, GM did have a similar issue with the Bolt, slow getting out of the gate. Things seem to be going smoothly with the model 3 factory in china so that bodes well. We'll see how well the model Y comes online.
Mr. Speigel? ;)
 
...in part a gigantic property bubble, in part by increasing debt in the south.

I.e. in a very simplified and imprecise form: Greece and Spain was taking on government and private debt and was buying German cars from it, which reduced local competitiveness. EU rules were specifically designed to allow the unrestricted flow of funds from the north to the south - so there was nothing the south could do to protect their local industries.

Germany nudge-nudge-wink accepted Greece into the EU, despite their obviously doctored balance sheet, in part because they wanted the market expansion.

...

"auto profits" are tainted goods, they were boosted by a decade of binge-buying by the south.
This still is vastly oversimplifying the reality. The South gained enormous advances in infrastructure as well as in agriculture markets. The auto industry obviously had huge changes during this period and the only huge EU benefits in that industry have been German. National champions from elsewhere have largely been acquired by Indians, Chinese and Germans, with all of them making large investments. To blame that on the EU/Germany is to ignore the consolidation globally, reflecting the enormous capital intensity in the business.

The present situation is that Tesla alone has achieved already an apparently impossible conquering of some highly disputed and profitable ground, directly analogous to what happened with PayPal and then SpaceX.

The EU and predecessors benefitted all of Europe, funded by all the rich ones and developing the poor ones. To see all this as a German auto industry power play is grossly misleading. If the recent past is prelude to the future some people will complain that Tesla ate up everyones lunch.

Finally, the story of German industrial success is really the story of the Mittelstand
The Mittelstand - BDI
Far less the giants, all of which depend on the Mittelstand.
No other country has been so successful as generating small company industrial dominance as has Germany. There are some analogies in Japan and Korea. China has a unique approach, but also is highly dependent on small enterprise.

Our problem as Tesla investors is figuring out how adept Tesla is at managing legions of suppliers. We almost never discuss that very much, but GF-3 and GF-4 are both more of a test in supplier management and recruitment than most of us perceive. Just as with German OEM's, Tesla is actually less vertically integrated as the common wisdom thinks. The comparisons usually seen as those of teh US-based OEM's which often outsource design and QC. We should be thinking more about Apple than we do about GM.

These lessons are about cooperation and collaboration with seemingly divergent interests. Those skills were at the core of EU success and still are. Germany has been a gigantic contributor, but not really such an overweening dominance. The world has changed.

Tesla and Elon have learned how to manage in this cooperative world while avoiding being dragged into hostile zero-sum-game logic.

Clearly these are my own views partly influenced by my working life. I have strong views but may not be correct about everything.
 
I think the VW ID3 will offer Tesla Autopilot and FSD.

- ID3 is in a lower market segment than Model 3 or Y so they won't compete much
- Will Make Tesla an absolute fortune in both initial sales and ongoing Tesla network sales percentage
- Will help establish Tesla FSD as the standard self driving technology
- Musk told Ron Baron that everything will come together in Summer 2020, which happens to be when ID3 is released
- Musk and Herbert Dies were very chummy on stage

Tesla can't make cars fast enough to satisfy the oncoming demand tsunami for EVs so there's absolutely no reason not to license their software to other companies. All the software revenue will be near 100% gross margin, and Tesla can use data from VW's fleet to help train their neural networks. I think most VW customers would opt in to this to help make their cars better.

One other thought/theory on this topic...

I don't believe Tesla would license/sell FSD or allow other vehicles to join the Tesla network. That being said, there could be room to license something less than that to other manufacturers once you have FSD. What if Tesla could license what is basically today's AP (minus NoA, Summon, etc.) functionality to other manufacturers running on relatively inexpensive hardware? Heck, maybe only license it for other EVs if you want to give more EVs an edge over ICE. Thinking of the DeepScale acquisition specializing in running neural nets on low spec hardware - run the current gen AP on cheaper, lower powered hardware and license it to other manufacturers as just a really good ADAS, but far less than next gen FSD so there is still a large distinction. It could be a decent revenue stream that adds attractive convenience and safety features to other manufacturer vehicles and is therefore priced appropriately. Oh, and Tesla should have rights to the data collected by these systems.

And... I think they should do it like Lotus did with Isuzu (remember 'Handling by Lotus'?) - Driver Assistance by Tesla! :)
 
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The growth of the company reminds me of when Elon said the range of Tesla cars would increase by about 5% per year. Then around the end of 2016, the 100D was introduced and the range increased to 335 miles. Then there was a lull for a couple of years. I remember thinking in 2018 and 2019, where's the 5% per year? Tesla better get on the ball. Then of course in 2019, we've had 2 range increases. Now watch this and be amazed.

Here is the yearly range from 2012 for the Model S given Musk's prediction of a 5% average yearly range increase.

2012 - 265
2013 - 278
2014 - 292
2015 - 306
2016 - 322
2017 - 338
2018 - 355
2019 - 373

Now, go to Tesla's website and look at the current range estimate for the Model S (I'll give you a hint if you don't already know or don't feel like looking - it's a number between 372 and 374 ;)).
My recollection about that was the question should people upgrade their battery packs when a larger size one came out. His response was to wait until it was needed because they would continue to improve on average 5% a year. He was, in my opinion referring to the battery pack size not the range. It’s important to realize that the range increases also due to changes in software and the car. More efficient model3 motor for instance. Putting today’s battery pack in a 2012 modelS will not result in a car with a 373 mile range
 
One other thought/theory on this topic...

I don't believe Tesla would license/sell FSD or allow other vehicles to join the Tesla network. That being said, there could be room to license something less than that to other manufacturers once you have FSD. What if Tesla could license what is basically today's AP (minus NoA, Summon, etc.) functionality to other manufacturers running on relatively inexpensive hardware? Heck, maybe only license it for other EVs if you want to give more EVs an edge over ICE. Thinking of the DeepScale acquisition specializing in running neural nets on low spec hardware - run the current gen AP on cheaper, lower powered hardware and license it to other manufacturers as just a really good ADAS, but far less than next gen FSD so there is still a large distinction. It could be a decent revenue stream that adds attractive convenience and safety features to other manufacturer vehicles and is therefore priced appropriately. Oh, and Tesla should have rights to the data collected by these systems.

And... I think they should do it like Lotus did with Isuzu (remember 'Handling by Lotus'?) - Driver Assistance by Tesla! :)
Only on EV, and since there are no other volume EVs in the market, no. No reason to help make ice relevant. Same reason for not selling skateboard, unless it also includes AP. Then, what is the point, you end up with a Roadster 1 costing $150k, that is the same as a Model 3 for $50k.
 
Yes the odds of Tesla Semi production at Fremont seem extremely low. Tesla says Semi will be in production by late 2020. Hence a new location. Very likely at GF1 as it will be very hard to build anywhere else so quickly. I guess Lathrop is possible too.
Pickup is less clear, there is a higher chance this could be at a 5th location, but I would still on balance guess it will be made at GF1. It’s possible Tesla aim for Pickup to be in production within 18 months too. We should hear soon enough. So production at 5 locations within 18 months isn’t out of the question either.

Elon at the last earning call stated that Lathrop is just logistics, and I believe its zoned as such.