Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[ammulder]

Excerpt:

But, as one portfolio manager -- an off-again, on-again Tesla shareholder -- told Barron's, investors can still buy in, so long as they believe in the long-term prospects for the company. They key is to manage risk. And risk with a stock as volatile as Tesla can be mitigated by position size.

Ah, but in that article I liked this quote way better:

The recent rally is, in industry parlance, ripping the face off the shorts.​

 

[lklundin]

He posted it on Twitter yesterday:
Ross Gerber on Twitter

Thanks - that makes you a better investor than someone who per his own words has '840M $ on my computer'.

 

[ggr]

If they are serious about this move toward sustainability, the significance for the planet and the investment world (and hopefully TSLA) cannot be overstated. Blackrock has $7 trillion under management. That's more than Germany's GDP and the UK's GDP combined.

I wish people wouldn't compare reserves to GDPs as if the units were the same. It's the same mistake as kW vs kWh. Comparisons are meaningless. Now comparing it to the US national debt might be meaningful.

 

[electrichapp]

The tough part will be to not chicken out if this continues
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Idk, maybe I sell half (don't know which half though, they are asymmetrical) to not lose all before ER?

probably best to sell before ER? coz IV is VERY HIGH.
IV (and options premiums) will most likely drop big after ER.
want to try LEAPS but am waiting for post ER coz IV and premiums are out of whack.

 

[lklundin]

The real question is, how much is that when driving on the Autobahn at 150mph?

On that note, I wish that the Model 3 AP would go that high, instead of just 150 km/h. It's a perfect cruising speed, not too fast, and still pretty fast.

 

[Zero CO2]

Picture, thousand words, all that.

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A lot of falling knives in those pictures .... enter at your own risk ... it will be really interesting to see if any these companies can navigate the transition to BEV

 

[Artful Dodger]

Barron's - 12 minutes ago: Here’s What to Do if You Missed Out on the Tesla Rally

Excerpts:

Investors experiencing the fear of missing out, or FOMO, can still buy Tesla shares if they think that global sales of electric vehicles are at an inflection point...

But, as one portfolio manager -- an off-again, on-again Tesla shareholder -- told Barron's, investors can still buy in, so long as they believe in the long-term prospects for the company. They key is to manage risk. And risk with a stock as volatile as Tesla can be mitigated by position size.

Hi Curt, I marked their take funny (not yours!) because they seem to assume:

VOLATILITY == RISK​

It does not.

Spoiler: Muppets from Space

This is the same muppet crew that whined 'bankwupcy' mths ago:

Cheers!

 

[RobStark]

Electric Vehicle Bill Goes to Gov’s Desk - Insider NJ

NJ Democratic Gov Murphy is expected to sign the bill. His staff worked with Bill sponsors in the Legislature.

 

[Tslynk67]

My yahoo watch list allows me to see real-time changes to multiple stock tickers at once:

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Thanks - CBNC has a similar facility, but it doesn't look as nice as that. Curiously, I use Yahoo's chart and options though, will try the list too.

Right, if the SP is driven up very quickly due to shorts covering, then it can be expected to come down again quickly.

But what worries me is that during this short time, the SP will run through the order books at an insane rate, so the bid-ask spread can become huge, so some tier-N retail traders like myself will be far from getting timely updates to the bid-ask - so there is a risk that one's limit order will be filled right at or very close to the limit, although at that moment the bid-ask may look very different.

Think about it, if the SP goes up (or down) at say 100$ every minute (and 10 times that for options), the average retail trader will likely enter a far from optimal trading order - and some market makers may have someone on their desk who tries to (illegally) profit from that, on the thinking that with the extreme volatility and volume overload no one will notice.

So while it is an interesting thought that we momentarily reach ArkInvest's 4k $ SP some time this spring, that moment could also be a moment were the ill-informed and ill-equipped retail seller who tries to take some profit gets completely screwed over.

So a recurring pattern of a 1-2% daily gain for a few days followed by some minor correction actually seems better, to me at least.

I cover this eventuality by setting sell orders on all my positions way above the current price. As the stock price organically moves upwards I reassess these and move them higher if necessary.

For example, when we were down in the $200's, my first sell order was $415 , next one $595, etc, up to around $1495. Yes, laughable now, but I thought it was commiserate in case of a squeeze back then. These have subsequently been "upped".

Same strategy on my options, but much more of a multiplier...

Like many other here, I'm stressed at the thought of a real squeeze and believe most of us retailer investors won't get the benefit of it, the big funds, with their bots will take all the gains. I prefer this long, sustained squeeze like we're getting now - +$100 every month for a few years and that suits me just fine!

 

[MaChiMiB]

More EV advertizing: Audi pays FC Bayern Munich 500 million over 10 years to driver their electric cars. The top players will get etrons this year.
#citycar
https://www.footyheadlines.com/2020/01/no-bmw-bayern-munchen-extends-audi-deal.html?m=1

 

[kbM3]

that is the performance version so no real surprise. What will be interesting is the 4S.

Well... supposedly this year. But no word on range. It has a smaller battery pack with an option for the same size as the Turbos. (79 kWh vs 93 kWh)

I say it will be interesting because the low end, still more than $100k, may have worse range. Porsche has demonstrated a careless disregard for efficiency, but they do have a much lower power for the models.

Still, here's my guess:

Turbo S; $185k; 192 miles (IIRC)
Turbo; $150k; 201 miles
Turbo 4S; $110k; 250 miles (my guess)
Turbo 4S; $104k; 212 miles (my guess)

Taycan 4S with the expensive extended pack (same size as Turbo) might do 215 miles.

The garden variety 4S (still more expensive than a Model S performance, but worse acceleration and smaller interior than an AWD Model 3), might do 170 miles.

They may still add a base version, that would undoubtedly be even worse yet, if they can stomach the humiliation.

They’re pinning their hopes on European customers being suckered by the gamed WLTP ratings.

 

[lklundin]

I like Ross, but I just lost a good deal of respect after reading the tweet “There are realized gains and paper”, implying that realized gains are somehow inherently more valuable.

Especially for those capital gains that are taxed, you don't want to realize gains there unnecessarily.

 

[Tslynk67]

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[ggr]

Mod: Guys, the Interwebs are like, you know, international and all that. I bet the Tesla store was down in Ouagadougou too. --ggr

 

[Prunesquallor]

A MarketWatch recap of Cathie Wood’s $6000 thesis with a link to the interview.

Here’s the case for Tesla $6,000

 

[Cherry Wine]

The tough part will be to not chicken out if this continues
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Idk, maybe I sell half (don't know which half though, they are asymmetrical) to not lose all before ER?

Could always cap via spreads to lock in some portion of original investment.

 

[keydiver]

Zowie. BlackRock making the economic case for embracing and running with this sustainability thing, instead of foot dragging and waiting to get dragged along.

How does one invest with BlackRock? An ETF? Or, just buy the BLK stock?

 

[Prunesquallor]

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TESLAQ has invented the internet version of the ST-TOS “Tantalus Device”. Press a button and your enemies disappear.

 

[mrdoubleb]

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Doesn't Ark also have a policy that no single stock's value can be more than 10% of their portfolio? I thought as TSLA goes up they almost automatically have to sell to remain in line with the cap.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Seems to be more 'stormy wx in shortsville' brewing as of 2hrs ago

Got dem shortz tied in a 'not' b4 Earning? Oh yeah...

CH33RS!