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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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It's only illegal if the governing body prosecutes. Since the governing body has shown zero interest in protecting anyone but Wall Street and the Market Makers, it's perfectly fine to do these kinds of manipulations.
TheTalkingMule
Distributed Energy Enthusiast
Far from boring, this was a battle to keep the narrative going that TSLA was bound for <$300. Buyers outweighed the SP smushing and tomorrow could be VERY interesting.Finished the day with GREEN. Longs win!!! But, a boring day
Today's closing:
+0.30% $DJI
+0.67% COMP
+0.33% SPX
--2.00% GM
--0.72% F
+0.44% FCAU
+1.94% TSLA (for the week so far after four trading days +15.12%)
+0.30% $DJI
+0.67% COMP
+0.33% SPX
--2.00% GM
--0.72% F
+0.44% FCAU
+1.94% TSLA (for the week so far after four trading days +15.12%)
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Do y’all realize that the top 4 TSLA trading days by volume are all this week. And there have only been 4 days this week so far.
OT
For an average retail investor, it might look like:
Have to point out the assumption for “sell up, buy down” to work is either you can time the peak perfectly, or you have unlimited capital to work with.
For an average retail investor, it might look like:
- $350: Sell X shares ($350*X)
- $400: Sell X shares ($400*X)
- $450: Sell X shares ($450*X)
- $500: Sell X shares ($500*X)
- $550: No more shares to sell
- $600: No more shares to sell
- $650: No more shares to sell
- $700: No more shares to sell
- $750: No more shares to sell
- $800: No more shares to sell
- $850: No more shares to sell
- $900: No more shares to sell
- $850: Too high, won’t buy
- $800: Too high, won’t buy
- $750: Too high, won’t buy
- $700: Too high, won’t buy
There’s a lot of storylines taking place. I think Tesla had been stepping on toes in the past, but ever since we had Larry Fink come out with a statement against investing in fossil fuels and Cramer making remarks that those stocks are dead, Tesla has now threatened to run over entire industries. Or in the short term they are taking the investors money. For short sellers they just happened to have their demise sped up in an insane push forward.
So I think this week has been the culmination of people taking sides, old enemies trying to protect their stake (probably Saudi’s) , and new shorts who will bank off old tactics of prior short sellers to make a profit.
Point of this is Tesla would always be good at creating enemies, they are the ultimate disrupter, EV’s are about to take center stage and nobody stands more to gain from this than Tesla, the company that has spent more than a decade preparing for this.
edit: I should say that many companies ultimately will be part of the disruption but Tesla is the mascot, the general, and the poster for this change so they will be targeted the most.
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Quote from Jack Ablin, Cresset Capital Chief Investment Officer on video from main Yahoo TSLA page (can't figure out how to copy video link):
"Energy, where perhaps Tesla is the proxy to suggest not only are the auto companies obsolete, perhaps maybe oil-producing countries are too."
[Video title "Tesla's surge is a sign..."]
"Energy, where perhaps Tesla is the proxy to suggest not only are the auto companies obsolete, perhaps maybe oil-producing countries are too."
[Video title "Tesla's surge is a sign..."]
Sleep deprivation is bad for you. Here's my sage advice:
1) Reset your expectations. The "nonsense" volatility will not stop for years. Big Boys profit from it, and Tesla's potential will be disputed for years. Ignorant/stupid people can't understand it. FUDsters might understand it but won't admit it. People who understand it will keep the share price ahead of current financials, which will cause other people to sell/short the stock on any pretext.
2) Make a list of the trillion-dollar markets that Tesla is targeting. (Hint: There is more than one.)
3) Make a list of the competitors that can stop Tesla from dominating those markets. (Hint: There is less than one.)
4) Look at the share-price history of other disrupters (Amazon, Netflix, etc.) who had fewer advantages than Tesla, such as only one target-market and many potential competitors. (Hint: AMZN dropped 90% twenty years ago.)
5) Think about #2-4 until you understand that your net worth is rock solid, regardless of its current number, as long as you hold TSLA shares. If the worst happens (global recession, earthquake, assassination) and TSLA drops 90%, this will not stop Tesla. Elon has built a brain-trust that will outlast him. The best engineers want to work for Elon's companies, or create a startup that is acquired by Elon's companies. He has drained competitors of the best minds in manufacturing, electronics, materials, software. Now he is doing it for Artificial Intelligence.
Elon Musk on Twitter
I make a plea to those of you who, like me, are retail traders and not pros.
I am a very young retail trader from Italy, this is not financial advice, and you have no reason to believe me.
I know you are going to question my motives. I implore you to believe me that this is seriously done in good faith.
Feel free to dislike this x20, but please at least read my warning.
This forum is filled with tons of insight from tons of smart people from tons of different professions.
But being smart doesn't make you immune to greed. Isaac Newton lost a ton of money in the market. It's not because he was dumb. He was one of the smartest people alive on the planet.
If your Tesla position (or ANY position) in your portfolio is >20%, ESPECIALLY if it's massively up because of the recent run up, even more critically if it's an option position, ALL CAPS IF IT'S IN SHORT TERM OPTIONS, ALL CAPS ITALIC BOLD UNDERLINED IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT MONEY TO YOU:
please consider REDUCING IT to more prudent risk levels.
If 20% sounds like too small of an allocation to Tesla, and you're not just playing with dollars you can afford to lose: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. BOOK SOME GAINS.
I'm not asking you to sell your Tesla investment here. I'm not saying that this valuation is too high. I'm not saying higher risk cannot mean higher returns. I'm not saying Tesla is a bad company. I'm not saying ANY of those things.
I'm just asking for some risk management.
I've read about so many investment boards full of smart people analyzing companies. I've seen thousand-page threads about investment theses. They all made sense.
And then for whatever reason the shares take a big hit, and people are suddenly posting about their life savings having halved. People don't know how to tell their partner. People post about their children's college fund being gone.
Even if the price action is driven by short sellers. Actually, especially if the price action is driven by short sellers!
Please, consider the possibility that you will lose money due to market irrationality, manipulation, short selling, short gamma bloodbaths, huge market corrections having nothing to do with Tesla, your broker glitching out. Please be safe.
Sorry, I do realize this sounds extremely condescending. I don't think I'm smarter than you. I do think someone might read this at the right time and just maybe be more prudent, and it might matter.
Sorry,
MFran123
I am a very young retail trader from Italy, this is not financial advice, and you have no reason to believe me.
I know you are going to question my motives. I implore you to believe me that this is seriously done in good faith.
Feel free to dislike this x20, but please at least read my warning.
This forum is filled with tons of insight from tons of smart people from tons of different professions.
But being smart doesn't make you immune to greed. Isaac Newton lost a ton of money in the market. It's not because he was dumb. He was one of the smartest people alive on the planet.
If your Tesla position (or ANY position) in your portfolio is >20%, ESPECIALLY if it's massively up because of the recent run up, even more critically if it's an option position, ALL CAPS IF IT'S IN SHORT TERM OPTIONS, ALL CAPS ITALIC BOLD UNDERLINED IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT MONEY TO YOU:
please consider REDUCING IT to more prudent risk levels.
If 20% sounds like too small of an allocation to Tesla, and you're not just playing with dollars you can afford to lose: PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. BOOK SOME GAINS.
I'm not asking you to sell your Tesla investment here. I'm not saying that this valuation is too high. I'm not saying higher risk cannot mean higher returns. I'm not saying Tesla is a bad company. I'm not saying ANY of those things.
I'm just asking for some risk management.
I've read about so many investment boards full of smart people analyzing companies. I've seen thousand-page threads about investment theses. They all made sense.
And then for whatever reason the shares take a big hit, and people are suddenly posting about their life savings having halved. People don't know how to tell their partner. People post about their children's college fund being gone.
Even if the price action is driven by short sellers. Actually, especially if the price action is driven by short sellers!
Please, consider the possibility that you will lose money due to market irrationality, manipulation, short selling, short gamma bloodbaths, huge market corrections having nothing to do with Tesla, your broker glitching out. Please be safe.
Sorry, I do realize this sounds extremely condescending. I don't think I'm smarter than you. I do think someone might read this at the right time and just maybe be more prudent, and it might matter.
Sorry,
MFran123
jhm
Well-Known Member
This raises the question for me, if Musk were to sell his businesses, what would he put the money to? The easy quip is, Mars, but really his businesses are the best means to colonizing Mars. Moreover, a healthy culture and ecosystem here on Earth is absolutely critical to sustaining life on Mars.
Yes that’s true - Andrew’s comments circa October 2018 appeared to have a huge positive impact on the stock price. I will remember this going forward.
The effect of the uptick rule has been overblown recently. I have not seen any significant correlation between its expiration and further sharp downswings the last several times it has been triggered. I think options expiration is the larger force at work here.
While not quite as impressive as the UK banning all new ICE vehicles by 2035, this is a step forward from the largest city in the US.
Mayor de Blasio to sign order for all municipal vehicles in NYC to be electric by 2040
Mayor de Blasio to sign order for all municipal vehicles in NYC to be electric by 2040
The first electric school buses will hit city streets this year after Mayor de Blasio signs an executive order requiring more than 20,000 on-road vehicles in New York City’s municipal fleet be plug-in electric by 2040.
The order, which de Blasio will announce in his annual State of the City on Thursday, will mean every single garbage truck, ferry, ambulance, police cruiser, bus, car and vehicle owned and operated by municipal agencies will have to be fully electric.
There are 25,104 on-road vehicles in the fleet now, just 8.5% or 2,134 are electric. The city also has 5,613 off-road vehicles like carts and light towers, and about 10% or 548 of them are electric.
The mayor’s office expects to see a 50% reduction in emissions from the fleet by 2025. The effort will cost $36 million next fiscal year and the city is assessing the price tag going forward.
“To address our climate crisis, New York City needs to stop burning fossil fuels and electrify everything," said de Blasio, who insists on being driven 12 miles in a hybrid minivan to his favorite gym on most workdays. “That’s why we’re making our entire fleet electric by 2040 – the equivalent of taking 750,000 cars off the street."
The order will require the city to buy the safest, cleanest type available anytime new vehicles must be purchased or older ones have to be replaced, phasing out non-electric models. The city would also have to identify long-term low or no carbon options for all vehicles and issue an annual report on the effort.
Not trying to be political, but I also suspect that if Trump wins again (seems likely) then Democrats will be more likely to pursue climate action at the local level as any hope for progress on the national level will have to wait another 4 years. (and will likely see erosion of current standards even)
I don't think you will find many here that don't know exactly what they are getting into.
Mayor de Blasio to sign order for all municipal vehicles in NYC to be electric by 2040
Mayor de Blasio to sign order for all municipal vehicles in NYC to be electric by 2040
The first electric school buses will hit city streets this year after Mayor de Blasio signs an executive order requiring more than 20,000 on-road vehicles in New York City’s municipal fleet be plug-in electric by 2040.
The order, which de Blasio will announce in his annual State of the City on Thursday, will mean every single garbage truck, ferry, ambulance, police cruiser, bus, car and vehicle owned and operated by municipal agencies will have to be fully electric.
There are 25,104 on-road vehicles in the fleet now, just 8.5% or 2,134 are electric. The city also has 5,613 off-road vehicles like carts and light towers, and about 10% or 548 of them are electric.
The mayor’s office expects to see a 50% reduction in emissions from the fleet by 2025. The effort will cost $36 million next fiscal year and the city is assessing the price tag going forward.
“To address our climate crisis, New York City needs to stop burning fossil fuels and electrify everything," said de Blasio, who insists on being driven 12 miles in a hybrid minivan to his favorite gym on most workdays. “That’s why we’re making our entire fleet electric by 2040 – the equivalent of taking 750,000 cars off the street."
The order will require the city to buy the safest, cleanest type available anytime new vehicles must be purchased or older ones have to be replaced, phasing out non-electric models. The city would also have to identify long-term low or no carbon options for all vehicles and issue an annual report on the effort.
Not trying to be political, but I also suspect that if Trump wins again (seems likely) then Democrats will be more likely to pursue climate action at the local level as any hope for progress on the national level will have to wait another 4 years. (and will likely see erosion of current standards even)
Nah, I'm good. I'm not investing to make a 8% return, I have the index funds in my 401k to make sure I don't starve when I'm old. Personally I'm taking a gamble that will result in me retiring on time with a comfortable but sufficient nest egg, or retiring early with more money than I need.
I don't think you will find many here that don't know exactly what they are getting into.
Heck, right now they could probably shoot somebody in the middle of 5th Street and get away with it.
I am missing something here. Let's say MM shorts the stock for the last 2 days, isn't that they have to buy the stock back eventually?
This will shoot the stock up. I am confused why Friday would be another down day then?
This was the third or fourth day in a row where there has been 100+ point swing in a single day. Hopefully the next time that happens it is only on the upside.
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