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Based on new car sales, yes. However, the subscription will also be available to 75% of cars that have already been sold.
In Europe that will translate to 200 euro per month including VAT. For someone who drives 2000 km/month, that amounts to 10 ct/km. In my country you receive 19 ct (tax free) per km driven for work from your employer. Which means half of that is already gone (Ignoring the fully borne cost for non-work mileage). One can only hope that Tesla gives insurance deductions to those who drive a lot on FSD, so as to result in some savings there. So, I expect the uptake and hence the income to be not very high in Europe and more so in China where the national income is lower. I think that Tesla leaves money on the table.

I think that the subscription will be popular as Tesla doesn’t allow transfer; I.e. the subscription is locked to the car. Which means that if you sell or wreck the car, you lose quite a bit of that investment.

In addition, a person with money to buy the 14k FSD, could bank on TSLA to rise, and go for the subscription while investing the rest. (Strategy works better for countries with wealth tax than those that tax investment gains).
 
In the past, loading times have been reliable. The one thing to keep an eye on is whether the ships arrive at their destinations with enough time to complete the deliveries by quarter end. This quarter, the ships seemed to have left with plenty of time to complete the deliveries. I usually monitor the ship arrival times to assess whether I can expect any laggards remaining in inventory.
Agree.

Q1 2021 was the first quarter in some time that, in those few countries where we can check at least, deliveries were higher in the second to last week of the quarter than in the last week. Then it dropped to almost zero in the first week of Q2. This indicates that every ship got there in time to get every car to it's buyer before the end of Q1. Based on shipping schedules I expect the same in Q2.

The days of massive overtime at delivery centers in Europe at quarter ends could be over. Even before Berlin opened. That should actually save a not insignificant amount of money. In Europe overtime hours can get very expensive for the company.
 
Utterly bizarre to me why someone would knowingly adapt their car in such a way to increase emissions, thus poisoning the air they're actually breathing

That's been exceedingly common among performance enthusiasts for decades though...remove restrictions to gain more power. Aftermarket parts makers do big business specifically selling parts for this... (and the majority of US states don't even check this stuff via annual inspections or anything).

It's another upside to EVs built with performance in mind, that they consistently crush these loud stinkmobiles.


Tesla recognizes about 60% as revenue immediately upon FSD purchase. So when a customer purchases FSD for $10k, $6k is recognized as Revenue and $4k is deferred. If that customer now buys the subscription at $200/month, Tesla would only get $200-$600 in that Quarter vs $6,000 vs the buy option.

Curious if you can definitively say if there's a difference in how they recognize (or not) FSD revenue for the pre March 2019 buyers (when it was 3-5k but they were more explicitly promising L4 or better during the purchase- and thus have a lot more still to deliver) versus post March 2019 where the purchase process only promises, at L2, a bullet point list of features- all of which are already delivered other than driving on city streets.

If so I'd expect if city streets beta at L2 goes wide they could recognize 100% of deferred for the post 3/19 buyers, but not the pre 3/19 ones.
 


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In the past, loading times have been reliable. The one thing to keep an eye on is whether the ships arrive at their destinations with enough time to complete the deliveries by quarter end. This quarter, the ships seemed to have left with plenty of time to complete the deliveries. I usually monitor the ship arrival times to assess whether I can expect any laggards remaining in inventory.
I suspect that when demand is particularly strong in the US as seems to be the case this quarter, they leave a little extra padding and devote additional time in the latter half of the quarter to US deliveries specifically so they avoid the logistics risk of shipping/delivery delays overseas.
 
Don't we think subscriptions, with beta 9 in the wild or out of beta, would mean they can raise the recognition?

If they can raise the recognized value of already sold FSD from the last five years from 60% that should make up for most/all short term shortfall? Either all in one quarter for a gigantic profit and then temporary lower numbers for a couple of years or just raise it with something like 5% per quarter. That would take two years to get to 100% recognized at which time subscriptions should be almost caught up.

They probably can't go to 100% the moment they start subscriptions. But it should be worth something so maybe to 70 or 80%?

This one is murky because we don't have a lot of visibility as to the details of the variables are actually influencing the recognition rate on up front FSD purchases. Since Tesla is continuously improving the software and releasing OTA updates there will always be a material portion of the up-front sale that will be deferred over the useful life of each vehicle. We still don't really know what that useful life is on these vehicles as we haven't seen full generational trade-ins of model years (i.e., is it four years or ten years). That may be on the horizon though, which may give the accounting team at Tesla more data to be able to hone in on what the appropriate recognition rate is on the deferral.

Also, the spec sheet for FSD has evolved over time. The argument for recognition of higher % of revenues has generally been that certain features had not yet been released, but once they are that more of the revenue could be recognized (i.e., save for the component that relates to on-going maintenance and OTA updates, which again is anyone's guess as to what the mix of deferred revenue is between those two components). That theory doesn't appear to have played out though with some of the recent City Streets releases not having triggered significant recognition of deferred revenues.

As for the exact % recognition moving on release of V9, I would wager that we will instead see price increases with the same % recognition. If we consider that take rate on up-front purchase may drop with a newly launched subscription model, maybe they sufficiently counterbalance each other in the US. Also to be seen if FSD subscription requires drivers to first have paid for EAP. Something like $4k up-front plus monthly model would be another way to manage the near-term impact. For example, you could see a halving of take rate on up-front FSD, but with $4k required on EAP to subscribe, that could be entirely absorbed.

Based on new car sales, yes. However, the subscription will also be available to 75% of cars that have already been sold.

I am of the view that take rate on the existing fleet won't be material. Similar view to Gary Black's points on the fact that subscription pricing will likely be 199 and not 299+ like some believe, because you could always add FSD up-front to your financing cost and it has a residual value on trade-in or re-sale. In other words, it fundamentally isn't JUST a cost decision (unless you're buying vehicle cash outright).

Ultimately, I don't see offering a subscription being a *near term* needle mover on existing fleet given that the decision making wasn't purely financial, but rather functional (i.e., the utility of FSD is still be proven). Offering it does allow people to try out FSD without a larger commitment (i.e., save for the fact there may be an up-front EAP requirement).

*Long term* I do expect it to be boon to margins as more people become comfortable with self-driving and on the assumption that functionally it achieves its march of 9s. When we start to see global take rates on subscription model above 30%, and we start to see up-take on the legacy fleet, then we can get very interesting.
 
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20 years :)

Lets talk 6mths, 1 year, 2 year, 5year and 10 year :)
At the pace Tesla is expanding how will others keep up.

In 20 years there will be no ICE (So yes Tesla will lose EV Market Share - but bigger pie). Mission accomplished and I might actually be in MARS after having cashed out of Wall St Casino ;)
 
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Utterly bizarre to me why someone would knowingly adapt their car in such a way to increase emissions, thus poisoning the air they're actually breathing

As is often pointed-out, 50% of the population are below average intelligence....
"Utterly bizarre" is the German auto industry with their Dieselgate scandal. I'm still trying to figure out if it was greed that made them do it, or just stupidity? Or does greed make you stupid? Or is it the other way around? The older I get, the less I understand human behavior...

Our 2016 Mercedes Sprinter van just got back from the dealership for the second time in two weeks because of Dieselgate. The first week they did the "software update" (haha, slick marketing trick there) and other parts as required by the lawsuit. Not 20 miles down the road the "Check Engine" light comes on. Turns out a fuel injector went bad (but covered under the extended warranty that comes with the "update" as per the lawsuit). So back we go again. (Replacing one injector would cost us roughly $2000 if we had to pay for it ourselves; we called another dealership in the Phoenix area and checked just for fun).

As we were heading out the door for the second time, the service manager cheerily says, "Don't forget to apply for the rebate for the emissions update." I paused and looked at him, partly annoyed, partly baffled. "You mean, the class action settlement funds we're obligated to receive because Mercedes broke the law?" His response was a vacant face.

I wish I had the wit to come back with, "Yeah, that $3500 "rebate" is going towards the purchase of Tesla shares." Which is true. We've decided, as a symbolic act, to put the settlement funds into TSLA shares, haha.

Dieselgate has revealed profound stupidity on the part of the German auto industry. And this will continue to cost them more money down the road as they will have to fix for free more issues on these aging vehicles because of the extended warranty mandated by the lawsuit, which is very extensive (at least here in the U.S.). We will dump this van in a heartbeat as soon as a suitable electric replacement comes to market. But in the meantime we need the van to live out of when we're on assignment, so we can't get rid of it.
 


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I wonder if this is the reason for the little bump we just got, either way, I like it!

A Dutch court has ruled that Royal Dutch Shell must dramatically reduce its carbon emissions in a landmark climate decision that could have far reaching consequences for oil companies

The company must slash its CO2 emissions by 45% by 2030 from 2019 levels, according to a judgment from a district court in The Hague on Wednesday. That includes emissions from its own operations and from the energy products it sells.
This is the first time that a court has ruled a company needs to reduce its emissions in line with global climate goals, according to Friends of the Earth Netherlands, an environmental campaigning group that brought the case against Shell (RDSA).

The verdict could pave the way for similar cases to be brought in other countries, holding oil companies liable for greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels.

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Lol, him "staying away from TSLA stock" is some progress; now if he'd only stay away from his keyboard. :p

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Cheers!
 
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It takes about 30 months for a $199 subscription to catch up the the revenue recognized on a $10k up front purchase.

So for there to be minimal impact to short term margins, cash, and revenues, take rate would need to increase dramatically. Likely doable in APAC and Europe where take rates are very low (<2%), but if we are still seeing 25% take rates in US, there is no way for a subscription model to catch up in the near term (we would need to see a 30x increase in uptake… which is mathematically impossible if we start at 25%).

The silver lining is that we may still see high up front take rates in US (so no material short term negative impact), which may reflect that the subscription model may only be a net improvement to overall margins. Time will tell.

My two cents, subscription model will need to play out in non-US markets for it to be net beneficial. I do think we’ll see up front take rates drop in US and see headwinds on short term margins until the subscription model is at scale. I have no doubt that the Master of Coin has fleshed out a number of models and sensitivity analysis.
The Dueling Accountants. Who knew it would be such a gripping tale!
 
Had to go to the big city to see a doctor of eyeballs for an over the ear update. All the way in through rush hour traffic I was thinking how nice it might be if the ICE car I'm in had the ability to drive itself.

Now that the appointment is done, I got to thinking whether there is anything else to do before escaping back to the sanity of my preferred rural environs. Then, I remember there is a Tesla showroom five miles away, and I have never touched or sat in a Tesla.

Is seems appropriate that an inspection of my investment is in order.

Okay, y'all get back to ticker watching, I'm gonna go have some fun.