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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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The fact that Waymo needs a fleet response team is a big problem. They have a control center to help the car out of tough situations remotely. And I believe they still have standby drivers in the field where two humans are deployed per car with several cars spread out in the service area. All these human workers and extra cars are expensive. And that's on top of the expense of the driverless car itself and the hardware/software development team.
As I always say about Waymo and Cruise, I'm waiting for the day when they say, "We see a clear path to profitability." For now, the silence is deafening.
MartinAustin
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To say S+X sales have cratered because they're back not up to the levels before 3+Y existed... lol. I spent $100,000+ on my 2013 Model S because it was the only viable EV out there. If there had been a $40,000 Model 3 floating about... I would have gotten that.
Add the sales of all four products together before you say something has cratered. We should expect lower S+X sales now than in 2017/2018, otherwise something is very wrong!
Add the sales of all four products together before you say something has cratered. We should expect lower S+X sales now than in 2017/2018, otherwise something is very wrong!
My X order has been Osborned since November 21, 2019...
Krugerrand
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Bingo! 
Oops! Bingo! Oobinoopbingo…crap
Oops! Bingo! Oobinoopbingo…crap
Way to go cat.Bingo!
Carl Raymond
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What have we here?
Could these be single piece Gen 2 molds?
Could these be single piece Gen 2 molds?
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Something else to keep in mind is that in early 2019, if I remember correctly, Tesla discontinued the 75D variants of the Model S and X. That did two things:
- Raised the entry price for the S&X.
- Reduced production capacity. Model S&X use 18650 cells, from Panasonic in Japan, and there is essentially a fixed supply of them. By putting larger packs in all S&X variants it reduced their production capacity.
- Tesla likely buffered supply of those cells in 2021 when they weren't making many vehicles, but that buffer is limited.
S/X sales have held up pretty well in North America given the factors you cited and the fact that Tesla discontinued the standard range model and only recently brought it back.
However all things considered, they have cratered in Europe and China.
And then killed it again, likely before any were actually delivered.
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
Don't let the headlines fool you even if they sound good.
Tesla Model Y Is World’s Best-Selling EV in August, as Global EV Sales Reach 18% (on Oct 09) says EV sales are 18%. But their source is
World EV Sales Now Equal 18% Of World Auto Sales - CleanTechnica which (on Oct 07) says plugins represented 18% share of the overall auto market (with a 13% BEV share alone)
So someone at driveteslacanada (Eva Fox or her editor?) mashed up an incorrect headline (maybe just parroting the misleading headline from the source article at cleantechnica).
Again the correct number is 13% EV share worldwide not 18%.
Tesla Model Y Is World’s Best-Selling EV in August, as Global EV Sales Reach 18% (on Oct 09) says EV sales are 18%. But their source is
World EV Sales Now Equal 18% Of World Auto Sales - CleanTechnica which (on Oct 07) says plugins represented 18% share of the overall auto market (with a 13% BEV share alone)
So someone at driveteslacanada (Eva Fox or her editor?) mashed up an incorrect headline (maybe just parroting the misleading headline from the source article at cleantechnica).
Again the correct number is 13% EV share worldwide not 18%.
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Drumheller
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No green for you!Bingo!
Oil prices rising on conflict fears when gas prices are already high
Inflation burning far hotter than lying govt numbers, especially food and housing.
Wages stagnant
In all of this, Tesla offers products that don't use gasoline, have lower maintenance costs, and are far safer. The company is lowering prices while expanding production and has a fortress of a balance sheet.
Naturally, no one should invest in such a company.
Johann Koeber
Happy Owner
In Germany:
The Tesla factory has a workers council (Betriebsrat).
Currently the metal workers Union (IGM) is trying to get a foothold in the factory. There have been reports in the media about bad working conditions in the factory, a lot if accidents, injuries, a lot of pressure and a lot of ill workers. None of these have I seen proven or plausible. The factory is tightly monitored by the authorities.
Nonetheless, the IGM is reported to have held meetings with workers to inform them of their rights. They have set up a special internet site for Tesla employees:
Media reports are in general not favorable for tesla, e.g.
Tesla will need to manage their reputation - and they will. It is important, that not all information comes from one side. Tesla is said to have held employee meetings to address the concerns.
I am confident it will end well. Keep in mind that German Unions are in no way comparable to UAW.
The Tesla factory has a workers council (Betriebsrat).
Currently the metal workers Union (IGM) is trying to get a foothold in the factory. There have been reports in the media about bad working conditions in the factory, a lot if accidents, injuries, a lot of pressure and a lot of ill workers. None of these have I seen proven or plausible. The factory is tightly monitored by the authorities.
Nonetheless, the IGM is reported to have held meetings with workers to inform them of their rights. They have set up a special internet site for Tesla employees:
Media reports are in general not favorable for tesla, e.g.
Tesla will need to manage their reputation - and they will. It is important, that not all information comes from one side. Tesla is said to have held employee meetings to address the concerns.
I am confident it will end well. Keep in mind that German Unions are in no way comparable to UAW.
Isn't shipping only a small part of the car's total carbon footprint? Also I suspect it only includes shipping of the disassembled car, not the components going into the car.
I mean I am a Bull but owning a Model s Out of warranty is not easy especially a p Model that at least in eu tesla couldnt Provide Batteries as replacement that fit the power requirements. And the used battery market is also heated. So not sure why everyone agrees to this, I guess in the us you have 3rd party options already that so far are lacking in eu ( I sold my p85+ last year as tesla could only provide a 350v battery pack as replacement for over 20k)IMO, used Tesla's right now are the best value in the auto industry. Affordability is of course YMMV but for the amount of car you get and the used prices these days, hard to beat a Tesla.
Im waiting for the used PLAID S to come down to the $50k range and ill pull the trigger
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