SwedishAdvocate
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That is of course impossible for me to know, but my guess would be: No, you won't.
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Tesla Unionization
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That is of course impossible for me to know, but my guess would be: No, you won't.
Now we know what they striking workers have been doing for the last month.
Going through the regulations and finding cases where Tesla needs to make some improvements.I'm sure Tesla will resolve those issues quickly, and across all of their service centers in the country.
Here's the Finnish union announcement, directly from themselves:
www.akt.fi
I doubt it has any effect. If you look at the map, Finland is not very logical route to get cars from Belgium to Sweden.
The AKT executive committee decided on sympathy actions for Tesla
In the meeting 7th of December Finnish Transport Workers´ Union AKT´s executive committee decided that AKT also joins with other unions to support Tesla workers. Blockade of Tesla vehicles starts in all the ports 20th December. That means Tesla vehicles or components destined to Swedish markets...
I doubt it has any effect. If you look at the map, Finland is not very logical route to get cars from Belgium to Sweden.
Krugerrand
Meow
This doesn’t appear to be about employees right to be in the union or not. That seems to have been respected.
What’s happening is a business’s choice to be in a union or not. It isn’t lawfully required that companies have a collective agreement in Sweden except it appears Tesla. That’s what this is about.
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No, Tesla can't do that. Tesla has no control over SpaceX or Starlink. And I highly doubt that Elon would start sympathy actions against Sweden from his other companies in retaliation of the Union actions.
Krugerrand
Meow
So glad the unions are deciding. Did the union take a membership vote before deciding? If so, then good on them and I’d support the action as a ‘will of the people’. Dumb people, but still their choice to make. If not, then shame on the union and dumb membership for allowing the union to have that kind of power.Here's the Finnish union announcement, directly from themselves:
The AKT executive committee decided on sympathy actions for Tesla
In the meeting 7th of December Finnish Transport Workers´ Union AKT´s executive committee decided that AKT also joins with other unions to support Tesla workers. Blockade of Tesla vehicles starts in all the ports 20th December. That means Tesla vehicles or components destined to Swedish markets...
I doubt it has any effect. If you look at the map, Finland is not very logical route to get cars from Belgium to Sweden.
Krugerrand
Meow
This is a good thing. This is how government handles things. It's good that work safety is regularly inspected and if there is things to improve, company is given a decent timeframe to fix them. Should be no issue for Tesla.
Interestingly enough Sweden was one of the few nations not to promote mass immunization during Covid and came out just fine. They chose not to go along with the herd.
But with the IF Metall/Tesla imbroglio it's a go along with the herd type mentality.
One thing I find strange. The union wants Tesla to have "a collective agreement". I think they are implying that Tesla should have their collective agreement. But what if Tesla makes their own collective agreement? Something like this:
Tesla Collective agreement:
+We will only make fully electric cars
+All the points here: https://www.ceconline.com/PDF/Tesla-Anti-Handbook-Handbook.pdf
With nothing about union members having board seats, sending money to IF Metal owned pension funds(Fora) etc. Just basic Tesla stuff. Would this qualify as a collective agreement?
Tesla Collective agreement:
+We will only make fully electric cars
+All the points here: https://www.ceconline.com/PDF/Tesla-Anti-Handbook-Handbook.pdf
With nothing about union members having board seats, sending money to IF Metal owned pension funds(Fora) etc. Just basic Tesla stuff. Would this qualify as a collective agreement?
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
Another Google-translation:
This gov.agency found six shortcomings at a Tesla workshop in Gothenburg. If you click the link you should get to the English version of their site:
Arbetsmiljöverket - Startsida - Arbetsmiljöverket
Vi är den myndighet som arbetar för din arbetsmiljö och ger stöd till arbetsgivare för att ingen ska skadas, bli sjuk eller dö på jobbet.www.av.se
Original source in Swedish:
Mitt i striden – Tesla får bakläxa om brister
Teslas strid med fackförbundet IF Metall fortsätter. Samtidigt får elbilsjätten bakläxa av Arbetsmiljöverket – som hittat sex brister vid en verkstad i Göteborg. ”Om ni inte åtgärdar bristerna och riskerna kan vi komma att besluta om ett föreläggande eller förbud”, står i rapporten. Se till att...www.expressen.se
In the middle of the battle – Tesla gets reprimanded for shortcomings
Published 7 Dec 2023 at 17:07
Tesla's battle with the trade union IF Metall continues.
At the same time, the electric car giant is being reprimanded by the Swedish Work Environment Authority - which found six deficiencies at a workshop in Gothenburg.
"If you do not remedy the deficiencies and risks, we may decide on an injunction or ban," the report states.
By: Sofia Clason
Several unions have gone on strike in sympathy with the union IF Metall, which demands that Tesla introduce a collective agreement. Union-affiliated workers refuse to work at the electric car giant's workplaces around Sweden - including at workshops that service the cars.
While the conflict continues, Tesla has been reprimanded for deficiencies and risks at its showroom and workshop at Hisingen in Gothenburg, which the news agency Siren was the first to report.
During an inspection on November 20, a total of six deficiencies were found. Now the Swedish Work Environment Agency demands measures - otherwise Tesla risks being fined.
Deficiencies around risks and chemical substance
On site at Tesla's premises in Hisingen, it was discovered that there was no control sign at the device for pressurization, signs at an escape route and that an employee driving a truck did not have a written permit. It was also judged that there was no risk assessment when using the chemical hazard substance betaseal and that employees who used it had neither been allowed to undergo appropriate medical examinations nor had certificates of training on it.
The Swedish Work Environment Authority requires Tesla to remedy the deficiencies and reconnect by the end of January next year at the latest.
According to the Siren news agency, an inspection was also carried out at a Tesla workshop and store in Mölndal last week. Even after it, measures were required around a compressed air container.
So, if you know what those things are (raises hand with a degree in chemistry), that's all pretty minor infractions. Put up a few signs as required, make sure the guy driving the truck on property (notice it wasn't on the roads) has the proper paperwork, etc.
"Nitpicking" comes to mind to describe this. Nothing at all there would be graded out here in the states by OSHA as more than minor in nature.
Sounds more like IF Metall asked some of their gov buddies to run an "inspection" to try to find something they could leverage. Didn't come up with much there.
Yeah its silly really.. they'd have to unload the ferry at Hanko, then trailer the cars some 800km to Tornio to get to sweden across land..Here's the Finnish union announcement, directly from themselves:
The AKT executive committee decided on sympathy actions for Tesla
In the meeting 7th of December Finnish Transport Workers´ Union AKT´s executive committee decided that AKT also joins with other unions to support Tesla workers. Blockade of Tesla vehicles starts in all the ports 20th December. That means Tesla vehicles or components destined to Swedish markets...
I doubt it has any effect. If you look at the map, Finland is not very logical route to get cars from Belgium to Sweden.
That is not what their strategy was (remember, they initiated their strategy long before there even _were_ vaccines), and followup studies showed they fared markedly worse than the other Nordic countries, and did not achieve herd immunity. But this is getting mighty OT. Apologies for the OT-ness.
Evaluation of science advice during the COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
Sweden was well equipped to prevent the pandemic of COVID-19 from becoming serious. Over 280 years of collaboration between political bodies, authorities, and the scientific community had yielded many successes in preventive medicine. Sweden’s population is literate and has a high level of trust...
www.nature.com
That is not what their strategy was (remember, they initiated their strategy long before there even _were_ vaccines), and followup studies showed they fared markedly worse than the other Nordic countries, and did not achieve herd immunity. But this is getting mighty OT. Apologies for the OT-ness.
Evaluation of science advice during the COVID-19 pandemic in Sweden - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
Sweden was well equipped to prevent the pandemic of COVID-19 from becoming serious. Over 280 years of collaboration between political bodies, authorities, and the scientific community had yielded many successes in preventive medicine. Sweden’s population is literate and has a high level of trust...
Yes it is getting off topic, my apologies for bringing it up.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
Another Google-translation:
This gov.agency found six shortcomings at a Tesla workshop in Gothenburg. If you click the link you should get to the English version of their site:
Arbetsmiljöverket - Startsida - Arbetsmiljöverket
Vi är den myndighet som arbetar för din arbetsmiljö och ger stöd till arbetsgivare för att ingen ska skadas, bli sjuk eller dö på jobbet.
Original source in Swedish:
Mitt i striden – Tesla får bakläxa om brister
Teslas strid med fackförbundet IF Metall fortsätter. Samtidigt får elbilsjätten bakläxa av Arbetsmiljöverket – som hittat sex brister vid en verkstad i Göteborg. ”Om ni inte åtgärdar bristerna och riskerna kan vi komma att besluta om ett föreläggande eller förbud”, står i rapporten. Se till att...
In the middle of the battle – Tesla gets reprimanded for shortcomings
Published 7 Dec 2023 at 17:07
Tesla's battle with the trade union IF Metall continues.
At the same time, the electric car giant is being reprimanded by the Swedish Work Environment Authority - which found six deficiencies at a workshop in Gothenburg.
"If you do not remedy the deficiencies and risks, we may decide on an injunction or ban," the report states.
By: Sofia Clason
Several unions have gone on strike in sympathy with the union IF Metall, which demands that Tesla introduce a collective agreement. Union-affiliated workers refuse to work at the electric car giant's workplaces around Sweden - including at workshops that service the cars.
While the conflict continues, Tesla has been reprimanded for deficiencies and risks at its showroom and workshop at Hisingen in Gothenburg, which the news agency Siren was the first to report.
During an inspection on November 20, a total of six deficiencies were found. Now the Swedish Work Environment Agency demands measures - otherwise Tesla risks being fined.
Deficiencies around risks and chemical substance
On site at Tesla's premises in Hisingen, it was discovered that there was no control sign at the device for pressurization, signs at an escape route and that an employee driving a truck did not have a written permit. It was also judged that there was no risk assessment when using the chemical hazard substance betaseal and that employees who used it had neither been allowed to undergo appropriate medical examinations nor had certificates of training on it.
The Swedish Work Environment Authority requires Tesla to remedy the deficiencies and reconnect by the end of January next year at the latest.
According to the Siren news agency, an inspection was also carried out at a Tesla workshop and store in Mölndal last week. Even after it, measures were required around a compressed air container.
Reasonable people who are actually interested in the workplace conditions would have led with this, rather that launch a full-on assault to hamper business being the first volley.
By releasing this now it makes IF Metall seem even more absurd and desperate than they already had.
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Reasonable people who are actually interested in the workplace conditions would have led with this, rather that launch a full-on assault to hamper business being the first volley.
By releasing this now it makes IF Metall seem even more absurd and desperate than they already had.
Unions are rarely reasonable.
KBF
Model X owner (formerly Cdn Signature Model S)
I believe this would be called by the Swedish model a 'sympathy lockout'
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In seriousness, it's not a great way to negotiate/build business, but you're right, it would be a reciprocal action, Tesla is not currently playing the same games that the unions are... Knowing that they could theoretically do that puts this conflict in perspective, notice how much restraint is happening...
EVNow
Well-Known Member
If I were Tesla - I'd help create a new union that is EV friendly.
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