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Tesla Unionization
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bkp_duke
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johnnycnote
Member
I call BS. Those anecdotes, if real, would have been brought up on your 2nd post
I think the funniest part was that their handle actually displayed support for Tesla...
Krugerrand
Meow
navguy12
Active Member
Not surprised. Been going on since Bush junior p.o’d Putin in ~2002…Putin been hammering at all liberal democracies via troll farms/targeted disinformation ever since.Stepping back a little, the only ones that have already won this conflict is Russia/FSB with their stated goal to start conflicts in the west and in EU.
IMHO
Edit: Adding a bit background to why I think so,
MOT sai haltuunsa salaisen tiedusteluraportin, jonka mukaan Venäjä suunnitteli häiritsevänsä Suomen ja Ruotsin liittymistä Natoon
Suojelupoliisi vahvistaa tienneensä Venäjän tiedustelupalvelun suunnitelmista mielenosoitusten lietsomiseksi.yle-fi.translate.goog
Edit: if one reads this book, one will come to the same conclusion: Blowout (book) - Wikipedia
Tesla appears to be getting around the plate delivery issue. They order the plates as usual, deliver the car without plates, and then have the new owner request replacement plates sent directly to them. (I think someone mentioned that the new owner could also get the police department to issue temporary plates while waiting for replacements.)
And no surprise to me, it sounds like the union has been lying: They say that they didn't start the sympathy actions until after Tesla was hiring "scabs". But they notified 17 non-Tesla shops of the required sympathy actions days before the strike even began. On top of that the majority of what they refer to as "scabs" are actually preexisting Tesla employees that are not IF Metall members. (How dare Tesla not fire all of the non-union members as soon as the strike started.)
And no surprise to me, it sounds like the union has been lying: They say that they didn't start the sympathy actions until after Tesla was hiring "scabs". But they notified 17 non-Tesla shops of the required sympathy actions days before the strike even began. On top of that the majority of what they refer to as "scabs" are actually preexisting Tesla employees that are not IF Metall members. (How dare Tesla not fire all of the non-union members as soon as the strike started.)
Krugerrand
Meow
They’re already trying to change the history of this event, huh? Well, good to know other people besides us see what they’re doing and have documentation of the real sequence of events.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
I made some more popcorn if anyone would like some.
Jonas Sjöstedt: Därför står vi strejkvakt utanför Tesla för IF Metall
Jonas Sjöstedt skriver om upplevelsen att vara strejkvakt i Umeå med Janne, Carina och Martin.
arbetet.se
From the article:
IF Metall is recognized worldwide
When IF Metall challenges Musk, it gets attention all over the world. If you win, the good example can spread.Next time it might be Tesla's technicians in Norway who get a contract, or the workers at Tesla's large factory in Berlin.
Maybe even the workers at Tesla's factories in the US who will now be without the pay rise that others get.
This is exactly why Elon/Tesla do not want to give in to collective bargaining agreement with IF Metall.
This is the fallout because of the IF Metall strike against Tesla.
This can't be very positive for the public IF Metall image.
https://x.com/AndersSoderqvis/status/1733188702950867209?s=20
Elisabeth Thand Ringqvist Member of the Swedish Riksdag (C)
Letter Translation:
The ongoing conflict between Tesla and IF Metall has increasing consequences outside the workshops affected by the conflict.
The electric car chargers that Tesla has erected around Sweden are important for the ability to easily get between different parts of the country. In some areas, Tesla chargers are critical infrastructure and in other areas essential to ensure that waiting times do not become endlessly long with a lot of traffic.
On the Gävle-Funäsdalen route, for example, there are 32 chargers of various brands with a capacity of over 100 kilowatts. and there are 61 Tesla chargers. On the Gävle-Storlien stretch, there are 32 chargers of various brands and 70 Tesla chargers.
The families who plan to take their electric car (doesn't have to be a Tesla; these chargers are open to everyone) from southern Sweden to go to the falls during Christmas and New Years want to be sure that this trip can work regardless of whether Tesla chargers could pay out for various types of industrial action from both unions and employers.
In connection with this, I would like to ask Minister of State Andreas Carlson:
Has the government taken any measures to ensure that critical charging infrastructure is not drawn into the conflict concerning Tesla's workshops?
This can't be very positive for the public IF Metall image.
https://x.com/AndersSoderqvis/status/1733188702950867209?s=20
Elisabeth Thand Ringqvist Member of the Swedish Riksdag (C)
Letter Translation:
The ongoing conflict between Tesla and IF Metall has increasing consequences outside the workshops affected by the conflict.
The electric car chargers that Tesla has erected around Sweden are important for the ability to easily get between different parts of the country. In some areas, Tesla chargers are critical infrastructure and in other areas essential to ensure that waiting times do not become endlessly long with a lot of traffic.
On the Gävle-Funäsdalen route, for example, there are 32 chargers of various brands with a capacity of over 100 kilowatts. and there are 61 Tesla chargers. On the Gävle-Storlien stretch, there are 32 chargers of various brands and 70 Tesla chargers.
The families who plan to take their electric car (doesn't have to be a Tesla; these chargers are open to everyone) from southern Sweden to go to the falls during Christmas and New Years want to be sure that this trip can work regardless of whether Tesla chargers could pay out for various types of industrial action from both unions and employers.
In connection with this, I would like to ask Minister of State Andreas Carlson:
Has the government taken any measures to ensure that critical charging infrastructure is not drawn into the conflict concerning Tesla's workshops?
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Krugerrand
Meow
Yes, Minister of State do tell us when you’ll put the leash on your out of control union dog.
A movie directed Paul Newman which he also stars in would be a good example of what you said. The movie has had two titles, Sometimes a Great Notion and Never Give A Inch. It's based on the novel Sometimes a Great Notion by Ken Kesey who also wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
The Stamper family represents Elon/Tesla and the union loggers are of course IF Metall.
The last scene in the movie is iconic. While towing logs down a river with a tug boat Paul Newman retrieves something from the family house, which resides along the river, and puts it on top of the tug boat.
This is why Elon doesn't want unions. Having the unions trying to run operations.
kfgo.com
DUESSELDORF (Reuters) – Thyssenkrupp must not divest its steel and marine units against the will of workers, the group’s labour leaders said on Friday, criticising the conglomerate’s top leadership for a new confrontational approach to decisions.
The comments, made in a handout by the IG Metall union to staff, come a week after the group’s management expanded the board by two seats against despite labour opposition, which unions called a break with tradition.
Thyssenkrupp workers warn against confrontational management approach
DUESSELDORF (Reuters) - Thyssenkrupp must not divest its steel and marine units against the will of workers, the group's labour leaders said on Friday, criticising the conglomerate's top leadership for a new confrontational approach to decisions. T...
kfgo.com
DUESSELDORF (Reuters) – Thyssenkrupp must not divest its steel and marine units against the will of workers, the group’s labour leaders said on Friday, criticising the conglomerate’s top leadership for a new confrontational approach to decisions.
The comments, made in a handout by the IG Metall union to staff, come a week after the group’s management expanded the board by two seats against despite labour opposition, which unions called a break with tradition.
Mod: I am temporarily locking this thread. The tone of the back-and-forth argumentation is not bringing any new information to the debate. So I request, forcefully, that when I unlock the thread in a day or two, only post about new developments. I hope this is clear.
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Tiger
Active Member
Ahh, sweet bitter pill:
www.teslarati.com
German trade union IG Metall labeled IF Metall’s strike against Tesla Sweden illegal. IG Metall shared its perspective on the Tesla Sweden vs. IF Metall issue.
“That would be illegal. You strike for your own business, for your own wages. A political strike would mean violating the duty to work, and then the employer could take action against the employees,” said IG Metall spokesman Markus Sievers.
Tesla Sweden strike labeled 'illegal' by German union
Germany's trade union IG Metall turned down Swedish union IF Metall's call to action against Tesla Sweden.
www.teslarati.com
German trade union IG Metall labeled IF Metall’s strike against Tesla Sweden illegal. IG Metall shared its perspective on the Tesla Sweden vs. IF Metall issue.
“That would be illegal. You strike for your own business, for your own wages. A political strike would mean violating the duty to work, and then the employer could take action against the employees,” said IG Metall spokesman Markus Sievers.
2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
At least someone in the IF/IG Metall union camp is publicly calling IF Metall-Sweden out for their unsavory tactics.
This reveals that a "duty to work" aspect exists in union agreements, and, that political and union business goals are never supposed to be part of the purpose for any union. All of which aligns well with a world of logic and reason.
Not so much alignment with extortion tactics, attention-getting stunts, and putting their union members second to their goals of securing power as we here have expected to find further evidence supporting.
(Edited for clarity)
This reveals that a "duty to work" aspect exists in union agreements, and, that political and union business goals are never supposed to be part of the purpose for any union. All of which aligns well with a world of logic and reason.
Not so much alignment with extortion tactics, attention-getting stunts, and putting their union members second to their goals of securing power as we here have expected to find further evidence supporting.
(Edited for clarity)
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