Tesla seems to do business as usual (with some workarounds) and could probably continue for months, time is on their hand.
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Tesla Unionization
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2daMoon
Mostly Harmless
^^^^ This,
Along with how IF Metall has been so creative with finding new ways to demonstrate their incompetence, they avoid answering direct questions factually, nor do they demonstrate in any way how what they are doing is justified, or, how the world is a better place for them being a part of it.
This is without any doubt one of those, "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" situations.
Tesla consistently offers more than an adequate supply of rope to the cause.
Along with how IF Metall has been so creative with finding new ways to demonstrate their incompetence, they avoid answering direct questions factually, nor do they demonstrate in any way how what they are doing is justified, or, how the world is a better place for them being a part of it.
This is without any doubt one of those, "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" situations.
Tesla consistently offers more than an adequate supply of rope to the cause.
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I have to wonder if this is somehow related to the Tesla-IFMetall conflict.
www.autoblog.com
Swedish regulator investigates Tesla suspension failures - Autoblog
Sweden's Transport Agency said on Friday it is investigating suspension failures in Tesla cars, following a Reuters investigation.
www.autoblog.com
Completely agree on Tesla's "no comment" approach being sustainable for them, but I wonder about the time scale. I would expect Tesla is playing a very long game here (2-3 years or more), and would be surprised if IF Metall is not prepared for the same.
Just wondering what catalysts might exist in Sweden short of legislation to force one side to give in... because I don't see any workable compromises.
Klarna employees “relieved” after strike averted, as unions predict agreement could “spark” Spotify deal
Klarna’s last-minute deal with unions to avert a strike could have big implications for the Swedish tech sector, say unions.
tech.eu
It had slipped past my radar that one other famous "non-union" company Klarna just decided to sign a contract in November..
The threat of strike was enough for them, strike didn't even start.
Maybe there is some combined union effort to try to catch these "big fish"..
(Quote from IF Metall)
I don't understand this logic. In my opinion the "sympathy measures" are not milder than striking.
Strike: workers stay at home. Employer doesn't have to pay them, union pays the wage.
Sympathy measure: workers go to work but refuse to do certain things. Yet they expect full wage. Union doesn't pay anything.
So I understand why union prefers sympathy measures, it's cheaper for them. But I fail to see how joining union has any benefit for the company.
Krugerrand
Meow
What parts do you agree with and what parts don’t you?
1. Seems to be at least in part. Perhaps not as much as it used to be a few decades ago.
2. That’s factual all day long, every day, and directly from IF Metall.
3.
That would be unsurprising if true.4. Often has been the experience of people and the reality in this day and age. In context the words and actions of this union definitely give the impression they don’t care one bit about any union member. So when they take money from workers, build a billion dollar ‘just in case’ war chest, then go after Tesla for not ‘voluntarily’ signing a collective agreement that Tesla doesn’t have to sign, force workers to sympathy strike that have no dog in the fight causing those workers to lose their jobs, cause companies to lose business, remove workers from union membership for not striking - what word do you want to use?
5. Actions and words clearly indicate that’s true in this case.
6.
It stands to reason, though, that workers who don’t have to work/have the freedom to decide to work or not would be a lot less likely swayed by a union’s demands to strike. Financial security definitely changes how a person moves through life.7. Hate may be the wrong word, but I think we can agree that unions don’t speak lovingly or fondly of a person of Elon’s influence who stands as opposition to their existence.
8. Law of Jante seems to apply at least in part.
^Yes something similar,What parts do you agree with and what parts don’t you?
1. Seems to be at least in part. Perhaps not as much as it used to be a few decades ago.
2. That’s factual all day long, every day, and directly from IF Metall.
3.
4. Often has been the experience of people and the reality in this day and age. In context the words and actions of this union definitely give the impression they don’t care one bit about any union member. So when they take money from workers, build a billion dollar ‘just in case’ war chest, then go after Tesla for not ‘voluntarily’ signing a collective agreement that Tesla doesn’t have to sign, force workers to sympathy strike that have no dog in the fight causing those workers to lose their jobs, cause companies to lose business, remove workers from union membership for not striking - what word do you want to use?
5. Actions and words clearly indicate that’s true in this case.
6.
7. Hate may be the wrong word, but I think we can agree that unions don’t speak lovingly or fondly of a person of Elon’s influence who stands as opposition to their existence.
8. Law of Jante seems to apply at least in part.
1 Sweden is integrated in the west and EU with small differences.
2 The strike is affecting union workers.
3 Sweden does not hate the US.
4 There are many different unions in Sweden, it may create corruption but not in general.
5 Companies with more than 50 workers usually form a local union club and in most companies they work with the employer to make the business as successful as possible. They have a common goal.
6 The last 30 years unions have worked for individual salary levels, they can't hate rich workers.
7 Not in general.
8 Perhaps in the future we'll see what the triggered the conflict.
navguy12
Active Member
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake“.^^^^ This,
Along with how IF Metall has been so creative with finding new ways to demonstrate their incompetence, they avoid answering direct questions factually, nor do they demonstrate in any way how what they are doing is justified, or, how the world is a better place for them being a part of it.
This is without any doubt one of those, "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" situations.
Tesla consistently offers more than an adequate supply of rope to the cause.
Something attributed to someone who lived a long time ago…which indicates that human nature hasn’t changed in centuries.
I can only speak for Norway, not the other two. But I guess because it's not allowed. In Norway sympathy strikes are very unusual and may only affect the original party - hence Tesla Sweden. So as mentioned earlier Norwegian dockworkers will not allow Tesla Sweden to avoid the strike in Sweden by undocking swedish bound Teslas in Norway and drive them to Sweden. The Norwegian Tesla mechanics are employed by Tesla Norway which is not in a strike, hence they will not /or are not allowed to interfere. Though if Tesla Sweden sent a lot of broken cars to Norway that might be slightly different, but Tesla Sweden knows this and since there are 90% of their mechanics working anyway that makes no sense for Tesla Sweden to do.
The Swedish system of extensive sympathy strikes like hitting Hydro Sweden is specific to Sweden I guess.
Finnish transport union is on sympathy strike, but so far it only concerns dock/port workers. It could expand to service.
it's possible a Tesla employee belongs in the transport union.
The sympathy strike only affects swedish cars, so if Tesla sweden sent cars to Finland for service, these union technicians maybe couldn't service them. It does not mean you get to go on strike..
Right now, transporr union woulf block Tesla cars that come to Finnish ports and are destined for Sweden. Probably no car like that even exists, logistigally would be a stupid route anyway.. so the sympathy strike is just symbolic.
But it is allowed as you mention here: "So as mentioned earlier Norwegian dockworkers will not allow Tesla Sweden to avoid the strike in Sweden by undocking swedish bound Teslas in Norway and drive them to Sweden."
The Norwegian dockworkers - Fellesforbundet(United Federation of Trade Unions) which includes car workshops, is affiliated with LO Landsorganisasjonen i Norge (Norwegian Confederation of Trade Unions) which is affiliated with ITUC (International Trade Union Confederation) and ETUC (European Trade Union Confederation)
IF Metall is affiliated with LO Landsorganisationen i Sverige (Swedish Trade Union Confederation) which is affiliated with ITUC and ETUC.
Both LO Norge and LO Sverige use similar logos.
I think you see the network here.
Neither are the Norwegian dockworkers, it's a sympathy strike.
But the Norwegian dockworkers are allowed to interfere? This makes no sense.
"Hydro Sweden" is Hydro Extrusions in Vetalnda, Sweden which is a subsidiary of Norwegian company Hydro.
Actually its the Nordic system of sympathy strikes because it has included Norway, Finland, Sweden and Denmark.
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According to the Union the strike is against Tesla, not Tesla Sweden. Yet Norway’s sympathy strike is against Tesla Sweden. I think the union has been very unclear and the other countries do what is convenient to them…
Tiger
Active Member
Why would you want to work for a company that would fire you for no reason, and get compensated for it? Go where you are appriciated.
So, this popped up on my computer:
"Study on Extortion Racketeering the Need for an Instrument to Combat Activities of Organised Crime" (2008?)
A study financed by the European Commission - DG JLS (Contract No. JLS/2008/D2/002)
Sweden: pp.223-230
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2020-09/study_on_extortion_racketeering_en.pdf
I wonder if anything useful was done in the years since this was written... This was all I found in the time I had, and I'm a troglodyte (evolving, but still...).
At what point does/has IF Metall cross/ed the line into criminality?
Perhaps this is what Tesla has in mind with their "GA Specialist" search... ("Tesla is seeking to hire a government affairs specialist in Sweden to help resolve escalating strikes against the US carmaker in the Nordic countries.")
Also, Tall Poppy Syndrome (aka Law of Jante) exists in societies all over the globe, stifling innovation, growth- even hard work and dedication. Elon is currently the tallest poppy in the field.
Happy Holidays!
"Study on Extortion Racketeering the Need for an Instrument to Combat Activities of Organised Crime" (2008?)
A study financed by the European Commission - DG JLS (Contract No. JLS/2008/D2/002)
Sweden: pp.223-230
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2020-09/study_on_extortion_racketeering_en.pdf
I wonder if anything useful was done in the years since this was written... This was all I found in the time I had, and I'm a troglodyte (evolving, but still...).
At what point does/has IF Metall cross/ed the line into criminality?
Perhaps this is what Tesla has in mind with their "GA Specialist" search... ("Tesla is seeking to hire a government affairs specialist in Sweden to help resolve escalating strikes against the US carmaker in the Nordic countries.")
Also, Tall Poppy Syndrome (aka Law of Jante) exists in societies all over the globe, stifling innovation, growth- even hard work and dedication. Elon is currently the tallest poppy in the field.
Happy Holidays!
Tiger
Active Member
Maybe this is why Russia is thriving, there they respect the haves, and have-nots shut up or put up. /s
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